Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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21st September 2009, 20:46
pino

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Well, at these troubled times its good we can trust in something. The forum clown.

:)

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !
21st September 2009, 20:50
F1boat

Oh, come on, Pino, there is nothing wrong in being a clown...
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21st September 2009, 21:14
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by pino

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

That is bit harsh.
22nd September 2009, 00:11
Boudica

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Originally Posted by ioan

Proof needed.

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)
22nd September 2009, 00:46
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

Well stated.

Ferrari have always been treacherous, even to their champions. Niki Lauda is the most open and it ended where he left before the end of the 1977 season.

Felipe Massa believes that he is every measure of Raikkonen - he is indeed, a legend in his own mind.
22nd September 2009, 01:02
ioan

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Ferrari have always been treacherous, even to their champions.

I believe a certain Michael Schumacher would know more about that than you and he's been with this team for 14 years now and signed a new consultant contract for 3 more years. :wave:
AFAIK Ferrari are one of the most, if not the most, driver friendly teams out there.
22nd September 2009, 02:31
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by ioan

I believe a certain Michael Schumacher would know more about that than you and he's been with this team for 14 years now and signed a new consultant contract for 3 more years. :wave:
AFAIK Ferrari are one of the most, if not the most, driver friendly teams out there.

Schumacher was not there when Enzo Ferrari was alive - Lauda, Surtees and Vacarella are three just to name a few with such stories. I could relate others but I do not want to "monitored" over discussing motor racing history.

Schumacher is a bad example for you to use - but you have no other perspective - because it was Schumacher that always gained in an era where a racing car could be tailored by a team in a way that today can only be imagied.

In today's racing environment, Schumacher could not achieve what he did - maybe he realized how difficult driving would be when he tested the 2007 car at Mugello.

Is it possible that Fisichella did not do much better than Schumacher would have? Imagine if Schumacher had raced and did not make Q3 while Raikkonen did!! Although I am sure the excuses from all and sundry would have spewed like an Oklahoma gusher!
22nd September 2009, 05:32
pino

Please let's keep this on topic thank you !
22nd September 2009, 06:10
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by pino

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

So you really feel that calling someone a clown qualifies for a lifetime ban? I mean really? After all thats been said in here?

My sincere apologies. I didnt realise there are different standards here.
22nd September 2009, 06:17
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

Nothing to add to this really. Ferraris problem is that the contracts are so rock solid nowadays that its virtually impossible to lure yourself out of them. Thats why Ferrari will be paying a big chunk of Kimis salary at McLaren next year.

Or maybe Santander will? Will Kimi be forced to wear their logo? :)

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