This Sceptered Isle currently on BBC Radio 7 has on this subject, a programme about 1946, touches on the inception of the NHS... but you've only got abot 5 days left before it rolls through:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lkmyl
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This Sceptered Isle currently on BBC Radio 7 has on this subject, a programme about 1946, touches on the inception of the NHS... but you've only got abot 5 days left before it rolls through:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lkmyl
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No. That is why there are charities. I personally donate quite a lot to the charities of my choice. And you will find that in the US it is the Conservatives that give more to charity by quite a large margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
It's the difference between what you think the role of government is (to semi-quote Mark). NO ONE wants to just dump poor people in the streets. NO ONE is calling for the dismanteling of the Medicare/Medicaid system (except for Obama himself, who has proposed pulling $650 billion or so from that system to pay for his)
And if you think that Jefferson would have been in favor of this ... well go read some more about him. Because that is just laughable.
No...this topic is like many, both sides firmly entrenched, with neither side conceding the other has a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazzycat
Me...the guy with universal healthcare and no choice can see arguments on both sides and has tried to take both sides to the middle...with little or no success.
That said, for those who don't understand what Chuck and those against the plan are going on about, are only seeing it as a matter of fact and what I have pointed out more than once that THIS plan isn't anything like what the UK or Canada has...it is a mismash of.....well that's just it isn't it? No one is sure what you are getting except it is VERY expensive and the US of A is broke...in case no one forwarded the memo...
What exactly is the first role of government then? I always thought that it was the general welfare, justice and safety of the people. Perhaps I was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
So providing for the general welfare means that the government MUST contol healthcare? As someone else brought up, why don't they buy me my food then? Or my house, afterall I need shelter to live, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Providing for the general welfare means that the government sets up conditions whereby which everyone has access to basic necessities of life. I'd say that government setting up Medicare/Medicaid does that quite well, except for the fact that those programs are bankrupt. So, I suppose, Constitutionally we should fix those programs before we do anything else. That is if you really want to argue that government MUST supply healthcare.
Again, do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, or for that matter, any Founding Father, would have been on board with government run healthcare?
Oh yeah, one more thing. HOW DO YOU PAY $1,000,000,000,000 WHEN YOUR COUNTRY IS BROKE?
Based on this thread, many Americans seem to be almost afraid of the government and its actions. Why on earth do they have one then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
We have a VERY limited government according to our Constitution. It was written that way on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Defence, foreign affairs, law and some communications (roads etc.). The citizens can take care of the rest. They should so, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
How can citizens take care of transport networks, for instance? Not all transport can be private. There has to be some degree of co-ordination in order to have a network, and private enterprise generally shows itself to be incompetent at this, because of the overriding interest it has in competition rather than co-operation. And why should defence be immune from being run by the private sector?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz