Mayfield FAILED Drug Test

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I am blown away his lawyers haven't duct taped his mouth shut. If you heard his rambling attack on the world when he was on with Nate Ryanand Buddy Baker on Sirius NASCAR radio a few weeks back, you would realize just how demented his arguments are. His lawyer should have dropped him like a hot potato. He is just killing himself in the court of public opinion and as time goes on, a few more outbursts and he will be toast.

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My guess is his lawyer probably told him to shut up. Any competent attorney would. Jeremy is so dumb he thinks he's smart. This is classic Mayfield behavior. Nothing has ever been his fault throughout his NASCAR career. It makes me wonder how much of his bravado is pure idiocy and how much is from the crap he's obviously using.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Chap, here is the issue with this giving Jeremy the benefit of the doubt:

One, NASCAR has no real gain by going through this. All this dirt in the press and all this fighting is doing nothing positive for them. It is one of the reasons I think they had their collective head in the sand for years until the Aaron Fike business hit the fan. They would rather not know, or at least that was in the past. Taking the heat they did, they had to put together an effective drug testing program.

Two, this program isn't some dime store drug store testing these samples, it is a HIGHLY respected company that does work for private industry and government.

Three, as someone who has to be available for testing in a very simliar program ( CDL holders are subject to the same rules and conditions ) I can tell you that Jeremy would have to be an IDIOT to be on Adderrol and Clartin and nothing else and NOT admit this when he took his test. You are asked if you are taking anything that could cause a false positive. Jeremy never ONCE told anyone of those drugs or his reasons for taking them until he was suspended. THat says to me he was hiding something.

Four; Jeremy Mayfield's lawyers have thrown everything out there for the reason for the positive test except claiming it wasn't his urine. It is a classic defense that only works if your jury is full of people not paying attention, but anyone with half a brain will notice that his lawyers have never denied the fact that test was positive, only that it was a false negative. When the lab comes out and says he would have to be taking Adderrol and Clartin by the boxcar load to get these results, and a second follow up test gives the same result, you have to realize he is on something

Five; Now that he was tested a second time and found in violation YET again, ( we wont get into the semantics of all the dodging he did to avoid going to the test lab AEGIS and NASCAR selected), we also note the A sample was full of water, a sign he was trying to flush his system in the 7 hours he made the NASCAR approved testers . The B sample is still sealed and its testing by a lab approved by all parties will eventually prove his guilt or innocense. Want to really bet on that one being negative? I'll take that one.

Six; Mayfield's behaviour and actions in the press are classic signs of denial by a drug user. Anyone who has known an addict on their way to rock bottom or is familar with the rationalization addicts have will realize he is a classic addict in denial. Persecution complexes, arrogancy and sheer chutzpah in the face of such damning evidence says volumes about his denial of the facts. An innocent man may also be defiant, but calling his step mom a "whore" and accusing her of killing his alcholic father in the press is not what his lawyers I am sure advocated. The man shoots himself in the foot over and over. No sane INNOCENT man would be this stupid.

Seven; He has accused NASCAR of spiking the sample while claiming he has tested himself numerous times and is negative. First off, he has never offered up definitive proof. Show me the lab tests from a lab qualified to look for Meth. Not all labs can. Secondly, show me the paper trail of seals and paperwork, and also understand his second positive test was a "witnessed" test. They SAW him pee in the cup. None of his tests are witnessed by an impartial observer. He lost that benefit of the doubt with the first positive test. NASCAR has nothing to gain by spiking samples. On the contrary, they wish this wasn't happening I am sure, but as time goes on, the people who like you think he has a case will see he has NO case.

Jeremy Mayfield has done NOTHING but deny he is on drugs, but everything he has done since being tested positive has done nothing to dispute with facts NASCAR's Case. A techinicality in not liking how NASCAR's lab had the test done only stands up if the second positive test didn't come along. Getting off with a techinicality isn't happening on the second test.

Stick a fork in him, send him to rehab and hopefully he wises up, because his racing career is done. No one in NASCAR will go near this dope with a 10 foot pole. His big mouth for years got him shoved out of good rides. THAT too is evidence of his arrogance which is a by product of the meth highs. The fact he doesn't look like a meth addict isn't proof of innocense, only that he has managed to hide it better. It happens.....

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When he accused NASCAR of spiking the sample, that's where he began to lose me. For all of NASCAR's faults, I'll stop way short of suggesting they would do something like that. I read all of your points and there is a lot of merit to them. But I still want this to go to court. This will accomplish several things: it will once and for all establish Mayfield's culpability in an even handed process; it will subject NASCAR's (on the surface) legitimate but secretive drug testing to proper scrutiny and find where the flaws are, if any, and bring them closer to federal guidlines so the public trust can be validated; and finally, we can have the real truth, no matter where the chips fall, and end all this ceaseless speculation, which is all we've been doing. All the facts we have are two drug tests, which is powerful information. But the US has laws on the books saying if you feel you're falsely accused, you can contest it, which is what Mayfield is doing, so I have no problem with that. But now the burden of proof is on Mayfield; he has to prove NASCAR did something wrong, and that will be tough for an intelligent person to do, let alone for an intellectual heavyweight like Mayfield. All NASCAR has to do is show their tesing policy to be fair and accurate. If they can do that, then yeah, reach for the fork, and also the nail for Mayfield's coffin.

I want to see an independent test of the second sealed B sample. In the first positive test, NASCAR's lab tested both the A and B sample. An independent lab also tested both samples but the seals were obviously broken by the first lab. A judge found these procedures to be wrong and he repealed the suspension. NASCAR tested him again, and he failed, and in the second test, NASCAR says he failed to specify a lab to test the B sample, so it has not been tested.
The way this should work is if a lab finds the A sample to be positive, the sealed B sample is sent to another independent lab. If that is positive also, the test is considered positive. NASCAR has not done this.
For pity sake, do it right. Not only has NASCAR not followed prudent pocedures, they let mayfield drive after they received a report he tested positive. Get it right.
I can't say I'm much of a Mayfield fan, but I hate to see bad science, especially where a life and a career is at stake. If he's on Meth, get rid of him or get him help, if not, reinstate him

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Originally Posted by PA Rick

I want to see an independent test of the second sealed B sample. In the first positive test, NASCAR's lab tested both the A and B sample. An independent lab also tested both samples but the seals were obviously broken by the first lab. A judge found these procedures to be wrong and he repealed the suspension. NASCAR tested him again, and he failed, and in the second test, NASCAR says he failed to specify a lab to test the B sample, so it has not been tested.
The way this should work is if a lab finds the A sample to be positive, the sealed B sample is sent to another independent lab. If that is positive also, the test is considered positive. NASCAR has not done this.
For pity sake, do it right. Not only has NASCAR not followed prudent pocedures, they let mayfield drive after they received a report he tested positive. Get it right.
I can't say I'm much of a Mayfield fan, but I hate to see bad science, especially where a life and a career is at stake. If he's on Meth, get rid of him or get him help, if not, reinstate him

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you have obviously bought into the myth the lab had something to gain by this dumb mook testing positive. I think Aegis knows what they are doing and while the seals were broken on the first test, I think it wouldn't have changed things. The lawyers for Mayfield keep trying to bring up this while of course stepping neatly around the fact he tested positive, and just about any reputable lab said the drug numbers on the test didn't indicate a bad mix of over the counter stuff, as Jeremy claims. Add in all the subterfuge and BS around that second test and how he tried to dodge it, and you cannot honestly believe he isn't on something.

It isn't bad science, it is a bad chain of evidence, but it may not change the fact he was on something, and the second test more than backs up the first.

Everyone seems to be disregarding the peole that claim they have seen Jeremy taking meth.

Because that's all they are, claims.

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Originally Posted by muggle not

Everyone seems to be disregarding the peole that claim they have seen Jeremy taking meth.

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The only "people" I've heard about is a step-mother that there's already been some very "bad blood" between the two.

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Originally Posted by Jonesi

The only "people" I've heard about is a step-mother that there's already been some very "bad blood" between the two.

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According to news reports earlier this week NASCAR submitted a filing with the court stating that they had several other witnesses. Also Jeremy's stepmother sued him for defamation because he accused her of "killing" his father. At the time of his father's death police reports called it suicide.

You need to keep up with this soap opera, Jonesi. You're a little behind. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

you have obviously bought into the myth the lab had something to gain by this dumb mook testing positive. I think Aegis knows what they are doing and while the seals were broken on the first test, I think it wouldn't have changed things. The lawyers for Mayfield keep trying to bring up this while of course stepping neatly around the fact he tested positive, and just about any reputable lab said the drug numbers on the test didn't indicate a bad mix of over the counter stuff, as Jeremy claims. Add in all the subterfuge and BS around that second test and how he tried to dodge it, and you cannot honestly believe he isn't on something.

It isn't bad science, it is a bad chain of evidence, but it may not change the fact he was on something, and the second test more than backs up the first.

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Does NASCAR do thing sloppily to attract attention? Why would the same lab test the second sample. If they were wrong on the first sample, why would they make themselves look bad by saying the second test was different?
I "think" Jeremy probably is or was on meth but I am frustrated as to why NASCAR would do things so sloppily. You say it is not bad science, it is bad chain of evidence. But bottom line it is bad for NASCAR and fans.

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Originally Posted by PA Rick

Does NASCAR do thing sloppily to attract attention? Why would the same lab test the second sample. If they were wrong on the first sample, why would they make themselves look bad by saying the second test was different?
I "think" Jeremy probably is or was on meth but I am frustrated as to why NASCAR would do things so sloppily. You say it is not bad science, it is bad chain of evidence. But bottom line it is bad for NASCAR and fans.

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Nah. It's bad for Jeremy.