Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by ioan

No ofense but your post proves that you don't understand racing.
The car that has the apex on a corner has the racing line, not the other one.

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LOL..Oh ya I forgot you have years of racing experience..me sorry ! ;-)

anyway...The apex or clipping point is often used in motorsport, though other racing sports such as skiing and bicycling have similar concepts of an ideal line.

The apex is often but not always, the geometric center of the turn. Hitting the apex allows the vehicle to take the straightest line and maintain the highest speed through that specific corner. It is also the tightest part of a corner


was this the case Ioan ? the ideal way to approach this chicane was from the outside to the inside..not like Kimi did..from the inside to the outside..pushing of Lewis

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Originally Posted by ICKE

No, the rule states that you can not gain an advantage.

And Hamilton would have never been so close to Kimi, had he not cut the chicane.

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on the contrary.

given that kimi forced him off the road, if he hadn't cut the chicane, he'd have been a lot closer to him.

he'd have crashed into him.

i can't see your logic. he was actually alongside him. why do you think he wouldnt' have been so close especially given it was wet and hamilton clearly had more grip in the wet than kimi?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Because if he didn't lift it means that he clearly obtained an advantage by cutting the chicane, rather than going around it.

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What gives? He gained an initial advantage from cutting the chicane, lifting off the throttle or not, but he negated that advantage, intentionally or not.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

LOL..Oh ya I forgot you have years of racing experience..me sorry ! ;-)
was this the case Ioan ? the ideal way to approach this chicane was from the outside to the inside..not like Kimi did..from the inside to the outside..pushing of Lewis

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Kimi was driving defensively, as he should've. Whats your point?

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Originally Posted by pino

Totally agree with you, still I think FIA made the right decision :)

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I'd rather run with ioan here, as he has given what I consider to be the most unbiased view of the whole episode here, and who has said that he would like to see the telemetry and any other evidence before passing judgment.

I didn't watch the race because I was at the footy yesterday where the Cats mauled the Saints, celebrated with Chandon afterwards and was too tired to stay up to watch the race. Today I went to Chadstone and bought myself my Father's Day present. ;)

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Kimi was driving defensively, as he should've. Whats your point?

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my point is..if Lewis would have defended his position as hard as Kimi did...they both would have been out of the race

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Originally Posted by ioan

They will have to make the telemetry data public for the appeal anyway.

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i can safely predict that, unless there is some presidential intervention, any mclaren appeal will be unsuccessful.

the 25 second penalty is, technically, a belated drive-through penalty.

the F1 rules do not allow any recourse for appeal on a drive-through penalty.

of course, they could add some consistency and charge hamilton a few thousand quid, like they did with massa's potentially life-threatening valencia incident...

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Lewis, by taking the ouside (and I should imagine more grippy in greasy wet conditions) line, was setting himself up for the inside line at the next corner...

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Approaching the chicane Kimi had been slower in the preceding corners. He held the defensive inside line so Lewis had two options: 1) stay behind and follow the Ferrari through or 2) take the outside line in the hope of making a pass. Watching the incident again Kimi does appear to brake earlier than Lewis expected so to an extent the choice was made for him.

The outside of the first part of the chicane became the inside for the second part, but Kimi was in defensive mode again and shut the door, as he was entitled to. The problem for Lewis was he was then left with two options: 1) cut the chicane or 2) risk a collision.

Having cut the chicane Hamilton & his team were aware he may have gained an advantage, so he let Kimi regain the position. A lot has been made of the slipstream, but Lewis was slower across the start/finish line than Kimi. The only advantage Lewis had was that he was better on the brakes than Kimi into La Source.

It seems that is what the stewards penalised him for.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The only advantage Lewis had was that he was better on the brakes than Kimi into La Source.

It seems that is what the stewards penalised him for.

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I wouldn't go down that road without having the slightest information about what exactly Hamilton was doing. The stewards have that info, we don't.

Still I'm not happy with how things are handled at this moment.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wouldn't go down that road without having the slightest information about what exactly Hamilton was doing. The stewards have that info, we don't.

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No, that's very true :up: It's all just my opinion from what I've seen on tv.