Was Lewis passing Heikki legal?

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Shalafi, we live in a global community now, where everything that is said , anywhere is always available for quotes and commentary, is posted on the internet, is picked up by web crawlers, is made known of instantly the world around. If he did make such a comment, the mass media and especially the hundreds of F1 sites would picked it up, talked about it, attributed the quotes to the original source, referenced the comments etc.

If I am able to read about comments the Force India boss has said to a local Indian paper, then surely a comment by HK expressing anger over "not being allowed to race" would have been a headline in at least a dozen media outlets.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor )

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Well said. Only one problem: its totally false, at least in this case. The quote has been reported by many forum members, and if its not in English, some people wont believe it.

If it smells like it, looks like it and tastes like it, it must be it. Even in Finnish. And thats not contrary to Occam´s razor, buddy.

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

I say one more thing...I dont know a thing what Kubica tells to Poland press, same with Barrichello and Massa to Brazil press. But Kimi and Heikki gives tv-interviews to finnish television before EVERY race weekend, after every practise session, before and after every qualifying and race. Also when they visit Finland they occasionally give a long interview. They can speak finnish, they are more open, its not the same PR-talk that they give to international media or press releases that are not even something that they have said!! They talk a lot about their teams, competitors, team-mates etc. And most of that, almost all of that, NEVER gets to the british media in english! Its a surprise to me, if even 1 (one!) percent of what they say to MTV3 reporters goes for english in Time magazine... ;) So how it is so difficult to understand that Heikki has said something briefly to finnish reporterters after the race when he was furious and frustrated?!

Yeah... I thought so too... :)

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Now that the elusive smoking gun has been found by the MotorsportForum Warren Commission (:rolleyes :) , what prevented Heikki from following Lewis and capturing 2nd place? What's the theory on that one?

Try to include the Mafia, the CIA or the KGB in the scenario... that will make it more fun to read. Marilyn Monroe is still dead (I think), but maybe Paris Hilton had a hand in this.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Now that the elusive smoking gun has been found by the MotorsportForum Warren Commission (:rolleyes :) , what prevented Heikki from following Lewis and capturing 2nd place? What's the theory on that one?

Try to include the Mafia, the CIA or the KGB in the scenario... that will make it more fun to read. Marilyn Monroe is still dead (I think), but maybe Paris Hilton had a hand in this.

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:rolleyes:
I think tht most forum members are a bit more realist than you are.

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Originally Posted by ioan

:rolleyes:
I think tht most forum members are a bit more realist than you are.

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The linguists claim that their translation and interpretation proves the claim that there were team orders. So I am just asking, if "they" didn't let him race Lewis, what stopped him from racing everyone else who finished in front of him... and behind Hamilton?

As for realism, the only thing I've learned about our fellow forum members is that some of them would have flunked out of law school after the first week.

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Well said. Only one problem: its totally false, at least in this case. The quote has been reported by many forum members, and if its not in English, some people wont believe it.

If it smells like it, looks like it and tastes like it, it must be it. Even in Finnish. And thats not contrary to Occam´s razor, buddy.

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convenient how you left out the quote of occam's razor. which states that all things being equal the simplest answer is usually true. Which in this case is that those quotes were never said and are some lonely forum's flight of fancy.

As I said, such a quote would have been headline news the F1 world around, not just the english media. I speak french, Spanish, German and Italian, and I didn't see any of those quotes anywhere in my usual rummaging of papers and sites. If you insist on beleiving that to sleep better at night,then that's your prerogative, but don't think that 99.9% of the world and forumers here have it wrong and missed this supposed sensational quote.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

The linguists claim that their translation and interpretation proves the claim that there were team orders. So I am just asking, if "they" didn't let him race Lewis, what stopped him from racing everyone else who finished in front of him... and behind Hamilton?

As for realism, the only thing I've learned about our fellow forum members is that some of them would have flunked out of law school after the first week.

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LOL, well said.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

convenient how you left out the quote of occam's razor. which states that all things being equal the simplest answer is usually true. Which in this case is that those quotes were never said and are some lonely forum's flight of fancy.

As I said, such a quote would have been headline news the F1 world around, not just the english media. I speak french, Spanish, German and Italian, and I didn't see any of those quotes anywhere in my usual rummaging of papers and sites. If you insist on beleiving that to sleep better at night,then that's your prerogative, but don't think that 99.9% of the world and forumers here have it wrong and missed this supposed sensational quote.

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English media to the left, english media to the right!

It's obvious that they don't speak Finnish. Or maybe you know it for a fact that they do?!

Your, and other member's, tries to mute a fact just because it wasn't reported in the English media is pathetic at least. And proves my point about the hypocrisy of many forumers.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Cue the accusations of Hekki being handicapped so Lewis looks good :laugh:

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Yes - this time it was ok (let LH pass).. I think Heikki did it because he hadn't any chance to keep Lewis behind him anyway.

BUT - why he was that much slower is difficult to understand? I don't believe he should be over one second behind Lewis in normal case.
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So you really think? that Lewis is a second faster than Heikki? :D

BTW - I'm quite sure that Lewis has "the first driver status" in the team :) .. and it has been that way then 2007 ... ask Alonso :) he knows… also that not every one in the team necessarily like it ..

Holy Overtaking Batman!!!

I've been on holiday in the Borders with poor internet connectivity, so have not been online in that time.

I have to say, I think I have witnessed more intelligent conversations in my Daughters Pre-School playground than in this thread.

You're all wasting your time on this subject.

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Seems freddie has spoken out on the subject, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69647

Dennis added: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating. You could go back through the entire history of McLaren, you could talk to any driver that has driven for McLaren and you will not find anyone - save for one - who will not verify that this team always runs on the basis of equality and always will."

better make that two for the road, as I beleive lauda would strennously disagree with that, given all those certain car problems, and then the poster incident at the last race of a season where Mac clearly wanted his team mate to win.....