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.. and one more question to Carles concerning Spanish drivers in Poland: in 1977 Salvador Servia was co-driven by Jordi Sabater, in 1980 Zanini's co-driver was called Jorge Sabater. Are those two different people or...? I know there was Victor Sabater, too. May you explain that, please?
Warm regards
Janusz
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Originally Posted by januszsz
Carles.
I'll try to explain the little mistery: the full name of Zanini is Antonio (first name) Zanini (father's family name) Sans (mother's family name). In Spain usually the people are known for his first name and the father's family name, but the full name (with the first and second family names) is used in all the official documents like the ID, the passport or the driving license. So, sometimes, if the person who type the drivers names in the entry lists don'y know the usual form (Antonio Zanini) can type also Zanini Sans or Antonio Zanini Sans.Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
The case of Petisco is the same, with Juan José as fist name.
On Salvador Cañellas, the G. must stand for his "second" first name, like José in the case of Juan José Petisco.
On Ferrater the T. must be the same: a "second" first name, like the french Jean-Pierre. In the case of Ferrater his father's family name is De Ferrater, like Van or Von in the Netherlands or Deutschland. So the correct spelling of Ferrater's name is Daniel de Ferrater.
Hope this helps,
Carles.
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Originally Posted by januszsz
Jordi (in catalan) or Jorge (in spanish) are the same guy, while Víctor is his brother. Both are from Barcelona and in the case of Víctor there's no confusion 'cause both in catalan or spanish the name is spelled and sounds exactly.
The problem with the names in spanish or catalan comes from the 40 years of Franco's dictature 'cause the catalan was banned and all the catalan names in official documents were translated to spanish.
There are a lot of cases, in racing or rallying, like Joan (Juan) Fernández, Pere (Pedro) Nogués, Jordi (Jorge) Catón, Josep María (José María) Fernández -Joan's brother-, Josep María (José María) Servià -Salvador's brother-.
Carles.
Thank you Carles for "Sunday School of Spanish Rallying History" - very interesting lessons.
Warm regards
Janusz
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Well, I have 2 Mk2 Escorts for sale, one has done just as many International rallies! I would accept a tenth of the price!
On a serious note, can the forum operators please clarify the rules about what are really adverts on the site? - and perhaps remove advertising posts to a separate place?
I know we have no right to have this thread kept solely for historical rally results, just rally history, but a convention has built up over a very long time that it is for that purpose alone and I'm sure most of those using it regularly would prefer it to continue in that form. We have already had rallycross posts put into a separate thread.
And here's some 1978 world championship questions:
At San Remo, Vudafieri-Mannini & Bettega-Torghele works crews entered by Lancia Pirelli or...?
At Corsica, Vudafieri-Scabini works crew entered by Lancia Pirelli or...?
I believe Bettega-Vacchetto were a Lancia Pirelli works crew.
Also, does anyone know the entrant of Lancia Stratos of Blomqvist-Sylvan at Swedish, and of Darniche-Mahe at Portugal?
And finally (for now), what was the entrant of Porsches 911 of Waldegard-Thorszelius & Preston-Lyall at Safari, and what was Markku Alen driving on RAC, 131 or Stratos?
Thank you.
Alen was in Stratos for 78 RAC (and it was the year Rohrl's 131 had Geisdorfer sitting in the back!).
I think the Stratos had lost the 4 valve per cylinder heads by that year following changes to Appendix J. Alen persuaded Lancia to enter one again in 79 but that was a cobbled-together car (an ex-Darniche Chardonnay car?). He went well in both years but with 12 valves it was no longer capable of dominating.
Thanks FAL. I just don't understand how was it possible that Lancia Stratos was entered by Alitalia Fiat?
About the other questions, anybody?
jorge, what's going on with you? I need your help man! :(