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I have not seen footage since I am in the wild, but sounds like Ogier (1st damage, not the off), Mikkelsen and Latvalas issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
nice picture... it can also be used to play the game: Spot the low life worthless trash that does not care for his existence...
Great event I would say.
Bring on Safari :D
still no footage of Ogiers off ?
Ostberg turboQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Breen fire
Mikkelsen driveshaft there is no rally without driveshaft problem for some works cars,We see it at every rally even the smooth or asphalt ones.
Ogier driver mistake
Lappi driver mistake
Neuville suspension collapsed without hitting something while brand new.Problematic suspension unit probably.
works drivers are 12....rest of them are still at rally almost without problems
about r5 cars Henning was faster without a puncture with same tyres/car.
Yes rally was extreme rough at day 1 ,but this roughness didnt drive to retirements,at least at more percentage from other rallies due to ''roughness''
when in every rally you have about 7-10 manufacturer cars finishing and here you have 5 with a day to go means that this rally is a car breaker...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
drivers errors ,fires and turbo has nothing to do with roughness.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Here is Ogiers incar off. 2 beers.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/2...-stages-11-13/
Just trying to think if other factors may have been there besides rough road. What ambient temperatures are there? Is it possible that while cars can handle engine cooling, some other components (diffs, hydraulics) still may suffer from overheating? Mikkelsens diff issue may be because of too hot oil not providing enough lubrication/cooling to diff, also Latvala mentioned hydraulics overheating. Breen fire quite probably also started from oil leak, wether oil temperature plays any role there, i dont know. Also in case of Ostberg turbo fail easily could have been destroyed bearings due to lubrication issues.
there wasnt higher temperatures from other rallies like Sardegna for example,or other Mediterranean former rallies as Acropolis,Cyprus,Jordan.
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Not at all. Do you not understand that there are fast rallies and rough rallies and they each require a different approach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Lol. What’s your problem ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Integrale
I do understand that. That doesn't mean I have to like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Nice gallery: https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44264-rally...aris-2018/515/
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/phot...r_dsc_7366.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/phot...r_dsc_3158.jpg
Some guys removing a huuuge stone from the road (?)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/phot...r_dsc_7202.jpg
Here also a massive one in front of Paddon (small for sure)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/phot...r_dsc_7059.jpg
yes it does have to do with roughness... when the car shakes like a bitch for 2 days all components take damage that slowly accumulates and the part brakes or fails.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
the off was the most stupid off someone can have... so 1 beer...
michelin day 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DveRwbbKlk
Guys do You also have wrong time in forum? It's 27 minutes late for me.
Local Time on iPad 2124.
same here, i think few years already
why no Lappi at start list?
http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-conten...-Sept-2018.pdf
Not sure, has Toyota said anything? Rollcage damage?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Just announced he's retired https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC/status/1041048179419041794
End of a terrible rally for him then. Suninen also quite bad performance overall.
Quite a contrast to all the expectations before the event. New rally was supposed to level the playing field for them. Instead it seems that experience was more important.
Experience or incase of its absence, careful approach always counts and sometimes even the best aren`t safe. Without their own mistakes they could`ve been quite high.
Last time I checked he was lying fourth overall?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The last wrc without issues and 2 mins behind Paddon who is also "driving safe". One 2nd time as the only highlight. That surely is below most expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
facepalmQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I checked again and he's still fourth overall. Hard to blame him for all the issues the others have had.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yeah, that's why Dakar cars break all the time. Enduro bikes too. That's why most winners of either usually walk to the finish line.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If you don't want to watch, take your complaints and watch tennis or something.
In the meanwhile, let us who don't mind enjoy the event. Thank you kindly.
the difference is that enduro bikes and dakar cars are made to withstand punishemnt...Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
modern rally cars are build around speed because all events apart from one are based on speed... and the stupid organisers make them do a worthless event... i doubt their development would be around to tackle a single event...
back to school now kid.
Did see that today when was reading some posts in the app tapatalk and the newest post was always 27 min away...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Neuville stated his issue was not caused by the rough roads (on Friday) as all the parts were replaced in service before Saturdays stage.
As for Ogier, the off was the smallest of mistakes that 99/100 you would drive off undamaged in seconds.
Really bad luck for both of them.
I also agree with those saying the rally is not a problem and happy to have it to add to the variety the WRC should provide.
It's still his second retirement crash of the year. Neuville has 0, quite a change from last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Btw. Henning Solberg claims Ogier was putting some parts in wrong and he had to explain him how to do it properly during the repair.
haha maybe Ogier is not quite the mechanic we were led to believe :D I wonder what would the driver-as-mechanic ranking be among current crop? We know that Ott has worked as car mechanic in past, so probably he would be quite high in this ranking too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Meeke probably had some knowledge, but I reckon Latvala or Miikka must be at the very top of the workmanship standings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
On an unrelated note, I'm very excited about this rally. It's exciting to see an endurance race once again, even if it means few WRC cars at the end. It's a proper race against everything and was sorely missed in the WRC. However...
I'm against this rally counting towards JWRC. WRC drivers are more experienced and their cars much stronger than the R2 cars. For a junior title to be decided by luck, especially when in a championship where, with so few rallies, every rally counts, is almost cruel when you consider that many of the young drivers have placed their career hopes on a JWRC season. I'd have much rather put a rally decided on pace as their finale.
I know some of you guys don't like the fact that this rally is so rough. However, Imho it just goes to show, how the cars these days, as evolved as they are in terms of speed they have lost some of their ability to endure tough conditions such as the ones we see here in Turkey. If you look at the Ford Focus & Citroën C4 from 10 years ago and even the Polo back in 2013 (the last year to have Greece) they were quite robust. I think it's safe to say that these new generation of cars are based more on speed and who can blame them when you have only one harsh car breaker rally such as this. With all due respect to Sardegna and Mexico, both still aren't as tough as here or Acropolis or Cyprus and I'm not even gonna mention the fact that Safari might join in less than 2 years time....
One last thing, as someone here mentioned, the drivers themselves a part from Ogier, Sordo, Latvala, Ostberg aren't used to these type of tough & rough events.
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I agree, Spain or GB would have been a better/fairer choice, particularly with it being the final JWRC round, but I've got to say that the current positions look pretty representative of the cream of the crop rising to the top. You talk about luck, but the top three in the rally currently are three of the top tenders in the championship, particularly when it comes to gravel...Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Now you are just trolling with this Ogier stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Krissucool, have you seen Ogier’s off?Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool