of course he was all that...
but the teams nowadays care more about about money than they did in the past....so the Mcrae attitude will not get a driver very far today, that is what i am trying to say.
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of course he was all that...
but the teams nowadays care more about about money than they did in the past....so the Mcrae attitude will not get a driver very far today, that is what i am trying to say.
Colin McRae was my hero.
:up: +1Quote:
Originally Posted by ste898
:up: +2 That deserves anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by ste898
Same here, I was just ten years old when he won the championship, he got me interested rallying!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I wonder if he would have sordos seat in the mini? Imagine Meeke and mcrae in one team?! Lots of wins, lots of tow trucks if they diddn't win, a forest fire or two, and constant entertainment, what ever happenned!
Colin was not able to win a citroen...so i doubt he was gonna do it with a mini...Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Being romantic works with Girls...with rallying results are a bit strange...
Colin was retired before he caused that horrible accident.
Heros and monsters are made for little kids...you should grow up and accept some things.
Emotive claptrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ste898
Yes Colin was exciting and I too was a big fan, but most exciting ever? People who watched Ari, Markku or Henri might not think so.
Part of rallying died with Colin? Really? What part?
If you consider his career as NOT does, unemotively, he is just one of a long line of drivers but whose results failed to reach expectations due to a propensity for tossing his car off the island. His one title was gifted to him and his major claim to fame was a kid's video game for which, according to some, the sport owes him a huge debt of gratitude.
In today's financial landscape it's doubtful Mini would have tolerated his rate of write-offs, a worthy consideration for Meeke to ponder.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
Bit like when I say about Wilson on the Irish forum
Its rallying for gods sake enjoy no matter who is sitting in what car, not performing or whether father allegedly pays the rides or throws it off each event
Interestingly in the recent GPWeek there is a story about how Mini/BMW are jointly developing the engine for Rally and Touring Cars. They have a single engine block used in both series and they incrementally develop the part for the purposes of reliability alone. The scary thing is that the Prodrive engineers have a long list of developments that they want to homoligate and they must choose only a few of them due to FIA rules. while Citroen remakes their engines as they see fit.
@Mini/Meeke/Sordo detractors: Mini will be glorious and will be on the pace very quickly next year. Guaranteed. Prodrive is not M-Sport and has won many rallies while competing on other series (consider BAR in F1, BTCC Fords, Le Mans). They are there to win not to be tourists.
Dont you start with that tourists b.s. ;0 :laugh:
It was a very impressive effort from Mini considering the car was the same as in Germany. They said back in Finland that they needed a better engine, so they must have been giving away a few tenths on every long, uphill section.
Plus the Mini/Team is running to 100% yet. They're still holding things back. Our presenter for out TV shows Paul was talking to David Lapworth at the Richard Burns Memorial Rally back in August and he was saying that the car isn't running to its full potential yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Today saw a test in evo uk magazine and it says that price is 450 000 gbp plus tax. They said s2000 will be cheaper and 1.6 turbo is only kit. That's very expensive.
Can you remember for the details of the 1995 season?Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Carlos Sainz had a mountain-bike accident - with serious injury - in the middle of the season.
He could not start in New-Zealand(maybe in Australia too?, I can not remember) 2x0 points for Carlos.....no comment
I think in terms of time and location it may have more emotional impact for some people. Colin was the first British champion,the mid 90s were for many people a pretty optimistic time and while his driving style was a bit reckless (or wreck-full) he put in good stage times and looked very impressive doing it. Age can play a big role in defining your best memories of rally, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
I always wondered if Nicky Grist ever had anything to say about Colin's driving, having also worked with Kankkunen. Given that he's a professional co-driver I wouldn't think he would say anything particularly negative, but it would be interesting to know his impressions. Derek Ringer's been in the US for a few years now helping Subaru of America drivers but I've never had the chance to talk with him at length.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertS
to be fair to McRae in the last events of the season he did deliver, still it wasnt a classic season, but McRae certainly did deserve to have a title to his name
Too bad for him ;) I'm sure Mcrae had two no-score rounds that year aswel. Ok, so they may have been through his own fault, but, then again, who is to blame for the mountain bike accident?Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertS
I had one my self earlier this year, and it was my own stupid fault, I felt such an idiot I wanted to kick my own a**e!
Not to take anything away from Sainz, I still call him King Carlos, after all :)
Er, but this is getting waaay off topic!
C.McRae forever.
I got it wrong too.. Really happy to be proved wrong though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
After, when Sainz had 2x 0-point rallyes - New Zealand + Australia ;)
Why ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
Sorry, I do not undersatand you here...
1995 - 2x retirements for McRae:Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Monte-Carlo -'own fault'
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Rallye Monte Carlo 1995 final results
" retired accident "
1995 Sweden
It does not matter(Sainz vs McRae), ALL work's Subarus retired - with 'stupid' engine problem
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Swedish Rally 1995 final results
Irrelevant, there is no nothing about - 'who is to blame for'Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
It was pure luck for McRae.
It was not a forced retirement in a battle for the win. McRae's rival did not start in New-Zealand, on a rallye, where Sainz was very strong traditionally. 4x wins with different cars and many podium finish....
Do not forget - in 1995 there were 8 rallyes only!
In Australia Sainz retired with engine on ss.9.(maybe some similarities with Loeb's in France now?)
If I give a 4th finish for Sainz in '95 NZ - which is a large detraction of his capabilities in 1995 with the Subaru - mathematics >
juwra.com**|**Season 1995 - Championship standings
+ a healthy engine for Carlos too in Australia ???
Kind of totally hopeless situation for McRae even with a win in Spain...
Sorry...
I call McRae for a very lucky champion in 1995.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
And please forgive me, I like 'what if's' ;)
I think, this 2x 0-point rallyes for Sainz - engine fault in AUS surely - were major factors in David Richard's decision in Spain in '95. Kind of fair-play...
And I can imagine Subaru team-tactics after New-Zealand, if Sainz could start and finish there anyhow :s mokin:
pre New-Zealand:
Sainz - 50p.
McRae - 20p.
Nobody gets "prickly" about Meeke here and most of us are not blinkered. There were a few over the years who repeatedly said, and I quote, "Meeke will never get a drive", "Meeke doesn't deserve a seat" etc, etc. Then all the nonsense about the Mini programme being rubbish, the car is too tall, Prodrive couldn't build or run a car that could survive a 5 km drive to the local supermarket and back on a Saturday morning. Next we had the rubbish about the short suspension travel etc, etc. Anybody who's been here will have read all that c-rap. The best one was somebody's brother who saw the car in Prodrive and instantly knew that it would be a complete failure.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
Sure, Meeke had his problems in JWRC, his speed and raw talent was never an issue and most saw that but he obviously did have accidents when he really should have been on the podium. Ok, many good drivers have their accidents but many confuse DNF statistics and automatically assume poor driving no matter the cause of the DNF and this seems to added to Meeke's reputation, deserved or otherwise.
As for his WRC career, as I said earlier, two drives over 6 years is hardly much experience. With Mini he's had 4 DNFs out of 4 starts. Looks bad doesn't it? Except 3 were mechanical and of course the off in Alsace. With that off it happened as I described, first pass he felt he lost time, 2nd pass the different approach was wrong. Most drivers modify a note when they feel it was not appropriate on the first pass, not rocket science. The crew are hardly going to make a mental note to approach a particular corner a few hours and 30kms later.............
Meeke got his seat with Prodrive the hard way, no money, no sugar daddy, no big backers. He's there because DR wants him there. For what he can do behind the wheel and his engineering/development ability, an unusual combination these days. So give the guy a chance to prove himself, I believe he will earn the respect of many more fans in due course.
this is why I have been a Meeke fan since way before it was cool to be, I still am. Sardinia and Finland were true car problems in my mind, he was off in Germany and lucky only to collect grapes, he had 2 spins I believe before his off in Alsace, certainly on one of them he was lucky to get away with it. He himself has blamed note distances for a couple of errors, this at this level seems odd to me, corner speeds are subjective and part of the art, distances are an absolute.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Re the Mini haters, theres a lot of top engineers on here in their dreams, my concern for the Mini that I never posted before now was that I think marketing men rather than engineers made the decision on which version to use and possibly created a compromise from the off. This possibly is bs, just a little thought I had :D
Agree, he is the most over rated driver ever, the Beckham of rally, much noise but little substance, the really great drivers are in their own class.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Over rated?? You don't win 25 WRC events if you're no good..
there is a difference between "no good" and overated.....
He was a great driver (great enough to become champion) but not something really special like Loeb, Kannkunen even Makinen and Gronholm.
Must say I have to agree. He was a brilliant driver, and the most popular worldwide mainly due to his computer game, but he there was never a time when no one could touch him. Since i've watched rallying Makinen had a period...well most of the late 90's where he was untouchable, Gronholm was in 2000 and especially 2002, Loeb was from 2005 until this season. Colin always tried hard, maybe too hard, and thats not because he wanted to entertain a few fans but because his competition was usually better.
I think it's similar with Solberg, he's got character and won a single world championship......and the most important factor was that he was in a Subaru, therefore everyone loves him and thinks he's the best ever.
Burns for me was a different situation, he was consistant and gathered points to win (...bit of a Hirvonen) but I always thought he was quicker than Mcrae anyway. Just because he got less wins it didn't make him a slower driver, as he came close to winning the WRC more times than Mcrae.
Can't believe I've joined in with this rant anyway, it's a little pointless. Oh well that's what lunch breaks are for!
while i agree at most you said,don t be in a hurry to say the mini is good.Its too early to see if it fast or reliable.About the suspension how do you know that the travel is enough? FRom inside Ohlins i have listen very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
I'm not sure exactly what you are saying? The car is not good? The car is clearly good in terms of what it has managed to achieve over 4 events in it's development period which it has just begun. Is it a great car? Time will tell, who knows but we can only go from what we've seen so far. There's certainly a lot more to come over the next 12 months. I don't know if the suspension arrangement will continue in it's existing form or how the team are thinking about changing it but so far seems to be ok, but that's only my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes, reliability is an issue but it's not a big issue considering and the faults so far have been very minor.
sorry, I couldn't resist:
World Rally Championship - News - Michelin’s safety campaign gets MINI support
the image makes me laugh :D
Meeke had an excellent run in the IRC so I can't see why anyone would begrudge him at least a trial in a WR car. However, after the hash Prodrive made of Subaru's cars from 2006 on and with what looked like a hands off attitude from BMW it was hardly rash to speculate the MINI wasn't going to be all that good. I'm happy to see Prodrive looks to have gotten the MINI right and think Meeke's a good choice to campaign it. Aside from the British(German) car/British(Irish) driver emotional aspect, I'm sure as a new entry his contract was pretty reasonable. I don't think we can judge Meeke too much until we see what the MINI can do next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
It does look like shorter travel.... do you know how much travel MINI has on both surfaces?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
How does that compare to the others, cause it looks like they are limited by wheelarch size to way less travel.
So, tell us. (we won't tell anybody else...)
I don t know numbers to tell you.But the problem exists(gravel)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Meeke and Sordo in France:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFG22tYIgo
11 mins of Meeke and Sordo from Rally Germany. Interesting to see the two different driving styles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFG22tYIgo
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