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Originally Posted by ioan
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Originally Posted by ioan
Was there anything technically incorrect with what ioan said?Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
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Originally Posted by jens
Take a hike!
Your comment just supported my point I was trying to make to a guy I have a lot of respect for!
Besides, you have no business on this thread :down:
Actually that is not exactly true. I stand corrected I had forgotten you are the offical
"Ferrari fans tread troll' :laugh:
Not at all, just tired of listening the same record again and again, especially when we're still in half season, and Ferrari theoreticaly could still win somenthing, event with only italians in the team...Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
WTF? It is a well reasoned question, the only reason why you're calling it trolling is because noone who it is directed at wants to answer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
It is clear that Ferrari are not nearly as successful as they were when Todt promoted people based on performance, not nationality.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
There is nothing to suggest that they would be as successful as they were if they only promote the Italians within the team. And by logic, everything to suggest they would have a greater shot at the title with Todt's approach. That is the point jens, ioan and I are making.
It is a good point , whether the moderator wants to hear it or not .
I thought "tifosi" meant those who support Ferrari , not everything Italian .
Just out of curiosity, are not Rob Smedly and Chris Dyer in good stead, and secure in their positions with the team? Because to be honest I haven't paid that much attention to this all Italian team issue. I can see how I would get pissed off if it became apparent that Ferrari had problems stemming from having an all Italian team, (which they don't). There is only one Homo Sapien that I harbor animosity toward. Luca di is a pinhead, and he talks a good game about having an all Italian team. But IMO he is only playing to the jingoistic citizens that exist in every country. Mine is one of the worst (In terms of having an overabundace of ultra-patriotic simpletons). Until the two fine race engineers (Smedly, and Dyer) get their pink slips I will continue to believe that "The Great Satan" has a lot less to do with Scuderia Ferrari Marlborough F1 operations than the Anglo/Mafia want desperately to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Or have Smedly and Dyer already been told that they will be shown the door when their respective contract come up for renewal/renegotiation? Until then I will continue my support with confidence in the knowledge that Stefano D’ will mature into a top flight team leader and the rest of his team are using their recourses properly, but more importantly as beneficially as they can(within reason) in his young career! Because if their are rumors they are planing to axe RS and CD I probably wouldn't know it, as I am not interested in the tabloid aspects of the competition!
In Beelzebub,
Taz
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...14344931941765
Yep, it wasn't what pino likes to read! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
And most probably next time when I will contradict him he will ban me again, like the last couple of times, as a result of his lack of answers. :)
I guess we will know when LdM will think he has found 'better' Italians, like that 'funny' guy Stella who was getting on Kimi's nerves during the races last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
It may appear that way, but it is misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It was Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne who decided to select and train people from Italy so that there was a homegrown depth of management to take over when they left and it has come to pass that way.
People who desired passionately to be Ferrari. Amongst these are Domenicali and Almondo.
I am sure if Adrian Newey were to offer his services and be prepared to move to Italy - surprisingly a constant reluctance from from non-Italians - there would be no objection.
Today - Italy versus New Zealand: soccer version of Ferrari versus Mclaren!
A quote from RB saying this would be highly appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Not that I don't want to believe you however I doubt that this was indeed their plan, especially that back then Todt was the one deciding and not Brawn and Todt never went on an Italian hiring spree.
Naturally it was by agreement with Todt and this information including comment by Brawn is available in the excellent book: "Michael Schumacher" by James Allen, who spoke at length with the great driver as well as people such as Sabine Khem, Irvine and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I know that they were grooming people for the future of the team, however I never heard about them wanting to do it with only locals, Italians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I am having a hard time believing that Todt and Brawn would have limited their choices to one nationality.
Well, maybe it was the influence of di Montezemolo and him wanting an Italian Ferrari after the departure of Team MS already back then, hence promising young Italian engineers were given the best possible mentors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
So in other words, the short answer is yes dyer and smedly are in good stead and not in eminent danger of being booted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Thank you :dozey:
As far as you know it's one guy! (Granted the man at the top)Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Being Tifosi also can mean caring so much about the Scuderia that if this knucklehead thinks he's Il Duce
His narrow fascist @$$ may end up hanging upside down from a lamp post at an Agip station just like the last one!
I never said that. Please read my post again, all you can conclude from it is that we do not know yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
:dozey: :p
It arose from the reasonable decision - initiated by Ross Brawn - to try and promote from within the organization rather than bring in people as was done for some time. This is sound management practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The decision to do so was a deliberate one and the requirement for anyone working for Ferrari in future to actually live in Italy was also instated by Ross Brawn. He totally disagreed with the way it was done in the John Barnard days.
And so Ferrari has become operationally more Italian as a result.
It does not exclude anyone based on national origin - just that they reside in Italy and unless it is an exceptional circumstance already be employed by the Scuderia.
This policy makes good sense to me.
OK, it seams plausible. However what happens now is slightly different and Italians are brought in no matter if they are long serving Ferrari staff or not and people of other nationalities are not employed no matter where they live. This has nothing to do with Brawn it is Montezemolo's policy, the policy that gave Domenicali the team manager position that Brawn himself wanted to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Your point being..........Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
And you know not employing non-Italians as a matter of policy how?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
After all, this would be contrary to European Union law and the ensuing lawsuits would not be ideal for the Ferrari image - not to forget the approach made to Mark Webber.
Ross Brawn never stated he wanted to become team manager. He did say that he was leaving because as he put it he no longer was excited at getting out of bed in the morning to do the work, wanted to return to England because of his grand children and his wife especially wanted that and wanted to take time off to fish.
Its all in interviews done by F1 Racing over a year ago.
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/84639Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The proverbial exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Just like gravity auld sport :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Not on my part - or Mclaren's for that matter, commemorating the Kiwi's death with a CanAm car earlier this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Q: is Ferrari bringing the sport into disrepute ?
http://uk.autoblog.com/2010/06/20/sl...1-montezemolo/
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A report at Italiaracing said: "It should be noted that the only complaints this season about the smaller teams have come from Ferrari."
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all of the six cars were faster by multiple seconds than the entire GP2 field in Turkey recently
Wow! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Thanks for the imput guys :rolleyes: :confused:
OK back to the pertinent function or this thread:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/300...rasalbumes.jpg
I sincerely hope Ferrari aren't thinking about incorporating exaust into tyre heating (It might be useful for quali.) because accidently being overambitious on the throttle and the rears heat quicker than icecream in the sun already The big trouble is getting the fronts to work as quick as the rears.
I would think The new exhaust layout and hot air could more likely result in reducing their drag = another small gain of that solution.
BTW I'll hope that is not the same side pod and engine cover they race in Valencia.(unless it's a solution that really Kicks @$$) ;)
Compared to the red bull it looks way too bulky :(
No shark gills! I'm guessing because they will have plenty of heat disapation from the underside, and the open area up above.
Excellent spot there Tazio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Couple of questions spring to mind.
With the increased heat around the brake area, might they get overheating issues and the old long brake pedal issue? Secondly, what about if they're held on the line for a bit too long. Surely exhaust gasses exit at several hundred degrees and will overheat the tyres on one side. Even if they don't damage, wont it cause issues going into the first corner with cold on one side and too hot on the other?
Ferrari obviously know what they are doing but I can understand the Diffuser flowing much more than this.
The more I think about it, there is one of a few things that could be problematic. I'll just address the one:Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
Ferrari is overjoyed about wind tunnel data. I think the exhaust may well overheat the push rods, just enough to upset the aero balance. Red Bull uses pull rod geometry. The key I would think is Ferrari have enough time to go to a pull rod rear. But it may be outside the rules at this point. That is pure speculation.
It's a bit like the F-Duct isn't it? The McLaren was designed with this in mind from the get go, so was the Red Bull, so the 4 tests before season start was used to evaluate and make changes etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Doing these changes on the hop, WITHOUT TESTING, especially something as volatile as the exhaust gases, is I imagine very risky.
Precisely!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
It's legal to construct a pull rod member put a torch to it and observe with a high degree of certainty what the physical effects are............................. even for Italians :eek: :uhoh: :laugh:
Fitting the system on the F10B and knowing with complete certainty how it will affect the overall balance is a different "kettle of fish" :grenade:
Risky, of course, but Mclaren did major changes last year without testing which worked.
Of course, they had little to lose then, but Ferrari need to be aggressive too.
wouldn't this modification be against the rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
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Originally Posted by truefan72
That's what I was wondering ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tazio
Clarification please........ Thank you :confused:
...unless they can somehow convince folks that this was already approved in winter testing (like mercedes did) and that they are merely rolling out their testing chassis. Its a stretch but one that the fIa would be willing to bridge, since they let them make modifications already that raised eyebrowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
We donīt know if all updates will work, itīs difficult to incorporate others idéas in their chassi during the season.
But, itīs probably that they will be faster than the macca boys this weekend, Silverstone will be another matter.
This weekend Seb will win.
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This may be a crazy thinking :)
Could the F10B have a Y or a split exhaust?
According to F1 spec's; variable geometry exhaust systems, have been banned :confused:
(unless Ferrari have worked out a fluidic switching system with no moving parts).
Can you say rear wing stall device? If not can you say f-duct ?
Not one but two exploitation of the rules if this could a be controlled in that same fashion :confused: :s mokin: