Israel refuses peace negotiations

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Depends on who takes it. You can't assume that peace activists use it against you, they just take it so you can't use it against them.






How many soldiers died or wounded?

Most likely Israeli military pistols emptied by Israeli soldiers.

Anyway, it happened on International waters, so the Israelis had no right to enter the ship.

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About 8 soldiers wounded, a few severly. Several with gunshot wounds, the others stabbed or clubbed.
I am not sure at all this happened in international waters. If it did it's a stupid mistake but only a technicality for it was going to take place a few hundred meters closer to shore and in Israeli water space.
The people on the boat came prepared with lethal weapons and were about 600 strong. The soldiers started firing lethal rounds only when their lives were at threat. They started by shooting paintballs at the violent people on board. When you try to kill soldiers it should be no surprise to you if those soldiers defend themselves.

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Originally Posted by Eki

No, I'm saying racist comments against Arabs and Muslims happen on internet forums.

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Yet you said racist comments against jews and have yet to apologize or withdraw them.

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Originally Posted by Rani

I am not sure at all this happened in international waters. If it did it's a stupid mistake but only a technicality for it was going to take place a few hundred meters closer to shore and in Israeli water space.

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It happened 64km out to sea, Israel's water space is 22km but as we know Israeli forces are known to make these sort of "mistakes", firing hospitals, UN peace forces and so on ...

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

It happened 64km out to sea, Israel's water space is 22km but as we know Israeli forces are known to make these sort of "mistakes", firing hospitals, UN peace forces and so on ...

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Do you have evidence for this?

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Originally Posted by Rani

Do you have evidence for this?

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For what? That it happened 64 km out to sea or that Israel's water space is 22km or that Israel forces have been firing hospitals, UN peace forces etc?

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Originally Posted by Rani

Yet you said racist comments against jews and have yet to apologize or withdraw them.

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What did I say? I said nobody (including me) would call you or other Jews potholderheads like some people call Arabs ragheads. Should I withdraw that and say, yes, we call you potholderheads???? Or what should I withdraw or apologize???

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Originally Posted by Rani

About 8 soldiers wounded, a few severly. Several with gunshot wounds, the others stabbed or clubbed.
I am not sure at all this happened in international waters. If it did it's a stupid mistake but only a technicality for it was going to take place a few hundred meters closer to shore and in Israeli water space.
The people on the boat came prepared with lethal weapons and were about 600 strong. The soldiers started firing lethal rounds only when their lives were at threat. They started by shooting paintballs at the violent people on board. When you try to kill soldiers it should be no surprise to you if those soldiers defend themselves.

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Or at least that's what they tell you. I'm sure no independent international news agency or other independent party can verify those claims.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Or at least that's what they tell you. I'm sure no independent international news agency or other independent party can verify those claims.

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If a news agency verifies would you admit you were wrong?

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What did I say? I said nobody (including me) would call you or other Jews potholderheads like some people call Arabs ragheads. Should I withdraw that and say, yes, we call you potholderheads???? Or what should I withdraw or apologize???

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You should stop using that kind of language alltogether.

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Originally Posted by Rani

If a news agency verifies would you admit you were wrong?

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If an independent crime scene investigation is done (that means not by Israel), and gunpowder residues are found on the hands of the peace activists and their fingerprints are on the pistols and their magazines so that there is no doubt that Israelis have planted that evidence, then yes. I doubt that will happen. Israel won't allow international investigators on-board of those ships for awhile if ever.

News agency alone is not enough to verify. There are news agencies and then there are "news agencies" (read propaganda agencies).

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Originally Posted by Eki

Anyway, it happened on International waters, so the Israelis had no right to enter the ship.

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I wonder what international law considers these Israeli's to be? Pirates?

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Originally Posted by Eki

What did I say? I said nobody (including me) would call you or other Jews potholderheads like some people call Arabs ragheads. Should I withdraw that and say, yes, we call you potholderheads???? Or what should I withdraw or apologize???

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Racism is a crock of sh!t it has exsisted forever and will continue forever. People have freedom of speech and belief. Everyone runs around thinking they are do-gooders with all this political politeness crap. If people accepted ones right to freedom of speech and just have a laugh once in a while the world would be a much better place. Just because the government tells EKI he has to like the Jews do you honestly think he would mend his ways. Do you think EKI sits up there in the sauna using words like potholderhead - sure he does. I always laugh my ass off when I hear the famous "Oh I know some really good Black people" Yea when is the last time you invited one over for dinner? They usually draw a blank. Some peoples beliefs and cultures just don't mix. So people just be realists and accept your beliefs and work to eliminate violence. Now excuse me I have to go watch the Jimmy Swaggart Hour :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: