2013 Monaco Grand Prix Thread

Perez did nothing wrong. Gap was there, he was close enough, Kimi deviated off the racing line at the last moment. Racing accident and silly of Kimi to risk his championship like that. If he doesn't want to be passed then maybe try staying closer to the car in front.

This is what F1 has come to in 2013. A bunch of grizzled veterans (Alonso, Kimi, Button) who don't wanna fight for position. They want everything decided by tyres, DRS or in the pits. Schumacher was still fighting tooth and nail for every position in his early 40's.

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Originally Posted by faster69

Perez did nothing wrong. Gap was there, he was close enough, Kimi deviated off the racing line at the last moment. Racing accident and silly of Kimi to risk his championship like that. If he doesn't want to be passed then maybe try staying closer to the car in front.

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look again. the front wheel of perez was at the same height as the rear wheel of raikkonen. there was no way he was going to get past, exept if he braked way too late and pushed raikkonen off track as he did earlier with button, alonso and raikkonen.

this was a big fault of perez, a fault where he in my opinion should have gotten a penaly for.

it was not the first time he did a dangerous and stupid manouvre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8XQUJ9cVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRXGCh9pew4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqkbD9YGuJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBBcwK08Cew

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Originally Posted by faster69

This is what F1 has come to in 2013. A bunch of grizzled veterans (Alonso, Kimi, Button) who don't wanna fight for position. They want everything decided by tyres, DRS or in the pits. Schumacher was still fighting tooth and nail for every position in his early 40's.

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those grizzled veterans are smart enough to know when they have to settle down and accept the points they can get, instead of taking enormous risks for almost no points. kamikazes get nowhere in f1.

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Originally Posted by tjoepie

Bravo Nico!! Finally managed to hold on to one your poles in the race! Maybe it would've been worth infecting people after all...

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Say thanks to the Safety car for holding up Vettel, Webber and Raikkonen for quite a while instead of waving them by straight away as it should be done. The win has handed to Mercedes and Rosberg by that SC.

Perez making mistakes in past races has no bearing on the legitimacy of his passing attempts in this race.

The Alonso one was just a nice clean pass in an inferior car.

Perez's front wheel only hit Kimi's rear wheel because Kimi drifted over off the racing line and squeezed Perez into the wall. Kimi knew where Perez was otherwise he wouldn't have drifted over.

Kimi had a lot more to lose since he's competing for the championship. He should have yielded to the faster driver instead of putting his car at great risk. What Perez did wasn't an enormous risk. No more of a risk than what Kimi was doing in the final two laps. Just racing.

What did EJ say about Lewis Hamiliton?

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

I think I have a new hate word - pace management (!!!). How ****ing ridiculous is that?? In other words we're seeing a delta-time parade again :rolleyes:

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I have only just watched the race delayed but F1 is becoming a joke. IT IS JUST NOT RACING ANYMORE.

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

The racing is a bit farcical at the moment.

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F1 is getting to the stage I am questioning whether the sport I love has moved away from what I want to watch.

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Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle

wake me up when something happens, this race bro sucks :angryfire

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Yup. For me its not about Monaco either. You can have racing hard with no overtaking, but today we saw 30 laps of simply not trying which is much worse.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

Taking Monaco out of F1 is like taking the woman out of Sex. Can still be fun, but it ain't the same...

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No, its not nice when a prick shafts you from behind and blows their wad too quickly like Checo and Grosjean.

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Originally Posted by tjoepie

After lurking here for a while this race has forced me out of hiding...

Since DRS, Monaco races had overtaking for the first time in living memory... But this seems to be a farce! I'm following on espnf1's text commentary. I could go down to the pub (it's 2 blocks away) but I've got a respiratory infection, and eh this race sounds dreadfully boring...

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Welcome.

I do wish people would stop saying you cant pass at Monaco.

You can. Its alot harder and there isnt as much of it, but with quality, bravery and a brain you can pass as we saw today from Sutil, Perez and Kimi. The problems are with F1s style of racing now.

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Originally Posted by christophulus

I think it's time Monaco and F1 have a bit of a rethink.

They need to see if they can tweak the track a bit - a couple of easy ones would be removing the bump before Mirabeau to allow people to race side by side and maybe doing something with the last corner to help people get on the power earlier. I know this would cost a few quid in reprofiling the roads and whatever but Monaco is hardly poverty stricken. Besides, Bernie and friends wouldn't lose Monaco for anything so they could always stump up the cost.

Alternatively why not turn it into a non-championship race? The drivers and teams would get the prestige and glamour that comes from winning in Monaco (maybe add in a big cash prize or something) but perhaps we'd see drivers a bit more willing to take a chance rather than sitting back and settling for second.

Sadly though the racing in Monaco nowadays seems to be a bit of a noisy distraction from all the meet and greets that seem to go on all weekend so I won't hold my breath.

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Monaco can be tough, but its still a good race to have.

F1 needs different challenges from tracks and Monaco is one for concentration, precision and skill.

The problems F1 face is the now costant obsession with protection. Protecting Engines, Gear Box and Tyres. All lead to safer racing. If you have a Engine that only has to do one race then you can max it out, but now it still has 4 races to do.

I used to agree with cost cutting, but I am becoming convinced teams need to have freedom to use as many tyres as needed, engines every race and stop this naturally conservative mind set.

Then there is the other main issue, F1 needs to fix the real issue of aero and cut aero by 60-75 % and not use unfair makeshift ideas like DRS

If F1 addressed these issues F1 would improve as a sport as opposed to a "Show.

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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster

No rethink needed. It's the one race in the calendar where drivers actually have to work for an overtake instead of just pushing a button to cruise past. The racing was rotten because people were dawdling about to make the sorry excuses for tires last. Taking Monaco out of F1 is like taking the woman out of Sex. Can still be fun, but it ain't the same...

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Exactly
Its F1 that needs changing, not Monaco

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Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle

Massa reverts to old form :down:

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Originally Posted by Ranger

Why don't you wait and find out the cause before blaming someone who just slammed into a wall at 250km/h?

It was very strange.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

massa is known for strange incidents
I think it is driver error

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Monaco GP: Ferrari puts Felipe Massa's crash down to car problem - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

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Monaco GP: Ferrari puts Felipe Massa's crash down to car problem

Felipe Massa's violent crash in the Monaco Grand Prix was caused by a technical problem on his Ferrari.

The Brazilian was taken to hospital for precautionary checks, having suffered neck pain after slamming into the saine Devote barriers on lap 29 of the Monte Carlo race.

Although the crash was almost identical to Massa's accident at the same corner in Saturday morning practice, which was put down to a driver error, Ferrari technical chief Pat Fry underlined that this time the car was to blame.

"Today's accident looked very similar to what happened in the third free practice session, but in fact the two incidents are very different," said Fry.

"Unlike yesterday, it seems that today's incident can be attributed to a problem on the left front corner of the car.

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The Monaco Grand Prix Circuit is great. Driving around at six seconds a lap slower than what the car is capable of at any given time, not so much.