another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Roamy

well according to the news bombings in pakistan and iraq killed over 50 people today - but i guess these don't count - the euros only care about disarming Americans. Kind of interesting I would say!!

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That's an interesting point. In this and similar threads, there is a huge amount of outrage and finger pointing about gun violence in the US. I don't recall any threads about the mass bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan, Spain, Israel, Nigeria, Pakistan and other places. Most of those bombings were aimed specifically at civilian targets. The atrocities committed in sub Saharan Africa boggle the mind. The death toll from most has been substantially greater than from any one gun incident here. It's true that they were not the acts of a single deranged person, but rather by organized political/religious groups. To me, that makes them even worse. Still, the loss of life has been dramatically greater than from any gun violence in the US. Where is the righteous outrage about all that? It makes one wonder why that is.

The mass gun deaths here represent a small fraction of total deaths. More people, children included, die in any given week on the US highways than died at that school. Some as a result of true accidents, but many because of the criminal behavior of others. Any outrage? ...... (silence) Guess not. Perhaps we should all try and get a sense of perspective about what the world is really like instead of what we would like it to be.

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Originally Posted by Starter

More people, children included, die in any given week on the US highways

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OK. But were any of those deaths pre-meditated?

There are many organisations who dedicate time and money to making roads safer - because they see the need to do something about it.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Conclusion - there's a lot of nuts over there, and the combination of nut + gun(s) = not good.

Are we too busy being careful not to 'upset' everyone by allowing these 'nuts' more freedom in case we oppress their civil liberties, human rights etc?

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I apologise for using the derogatory term. Pretty insensitive and ignorant of me. :( :mark:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

The guy was apparently had mental issues and part of the answer is surely not so easy access to guns for people with mental issues.
The mother also appeared to have mental issues.

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Well quite. Mental illness isn't confined to the USA (although one might question whether a society which demands payment for all but emergency healthcare is well equipped to deal with it), but no other industrialised country has the rate of gun crime that they do.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

The guy apparently had mental issues and part of the answer is surely not so easy access to guns for people with such mental issues.
The mother also appeared to have mental issues.

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Yes the Mother should have had a secure gun safe knowing her child was whack. Now this would be a good recommendation instead of gun laws. People with mentally challenged should be counseled indepth about guns and proper handling and control.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Yes the Mother should have had a secure gun safe knowing her child was whack. Now this would be a good recommendation instead of gun laws. People with mentally challenged should be counseled indepth about guns and proper handling and control.

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Perhaps, for their own safety, they should be refused a license....

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Originally Posted by henners88

People dying from accidents in modes of transport and children having their lives deliberately turned off by a nutter with an automatic weapon is not even remotely comparable. The fact is cars are necessary tools for daily life in a modern world and guns are not. Nobody needs to have automatic weapons in their homes for protection. If you live in a society where you are either that paranoid or there genuinely is a need for such protection then your country is in a complete mess. In this thread we have had people smugly suggesting they live in a free society, yet then go on to say they need to protect themselves against, intruders, rapists, murderers, cops, and the bit that made me laugh, the government! I can appreciate having guns is all you people know, but from us looking in it looks like a total shambles.

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Right - coming from a guy who's government fried 9 million people - you are just the guy I want to listen to.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Perhaps, for their own safety, they should be refused a license....

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I would probably not have a problem with this but of course the Mother would be judged sane - so now back to the gun safe!

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Right - coming from a guy who's government fried 9 million people - you are just the guy I want to listen to.

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Are you the whole ticket?

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Originally Posted by Roamy

I would probably not have a problem with this but of course the Mother would be judged sane - so now back to the gun safe!

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She was hoarding stuff (including guns) for the end of the world. Seriously, there is a loose wire there somewhere, maybe she watched T2 once too often?