Because we are born with gray matter between our ears? Some more some less, but yet it is there to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
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Because we are born with gray matter between our ears? Some more some less, but yet it is there to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
:rotflmao: Made my day!Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
BTW, all valid reasons! ;)
I watched a geeky documentary on TV a while back, asking what made the universe, is it made up of a boat load of coincidences/was there a god that made it/somethint totally different etc.
In the beginning, before the Greeks started to discover astronomy, the Vikings used to blame some sort of "wolf god" or something when ever there was an eclipse of the sun. They thought this god would take away all of the sun light and the earth couldnt function without it. Apparently back then, the Vikings attempted to drive away this evil god in the only way they knew how....By drawing their swords and shouting at it...And what happens?? The sun suddenly comes back, and the Vikings pat themselves on the back, a job well done, they've scared this God away! Or so they thought.
Then someone discovered that it was actually simply the moon blocking the sunlight out momentarily, and there was actually no such thing as the wolf god.
Further down the time line, the romans I think thought a god created the sun. Now we know that the sun started the same way as all of the other stars in the universe.
More recently, Einstein discovers anti-matter, we have the Hubble telescope that can (in a sense) peer back in time, etc etc.
The point I'm trying to make is that for every thing that is unexplained (the big bang, for example) religious people just presume that a god must have caused it. And as we have learned more of the origins of our planet, the sun, solar system, etc etc the less we presume a god made everything.
We still have a lot to learn about our existence, and it seems the more we learn, the less we need to believe that a god created us.
It was a pretty good TV programme :)
Indeed. I believe it's called "God of the gaps". Whatever we don't understand is attributed to God; all the gaps in our knowledge. And as we know more and more, God's domain gets smaller and smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I see, your opinion is that our grey matter is able to find reasons for everything. More or less scientific, more or less true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Don't know about you but as far as I'm concerned I was also born with that part of spiritual substance called soul. This is immaterial and has its own "needs" . It's also there ( to be honest I don't know where ). Now can you tell me the reason why I have it and what I have to do with it?
I'm sure that using your gray matter you'll be able to enlighten me.
Although I believe there's a God I'm not exactly the kind of believer you described above. I'm not bothered by issues like the true/false existance of Heaven/Hell, the evidence of them or the entrance in His kingdom. I don't take these terms mot-a mot. The unbelivers say that religions are founded on man's incapacity to explain phenomena. Maybe the sacred texts were also written with man's incapacity to explain what happens on a divine level.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Don't know the purpose of this thread but definitely it wasn't a mean to change our opinions. It's hard for a believer to be convinced that man is but a poor rational and talking animal, coming from nowhere, going to nowhere - same thing for the genius and the idiot. He's rather interested in when, where and for what purpose the quality of "human" appeared.
But it's interesting these kind of threads always appear near Easter/Christmas. Wonder why.....
The purpose of this thread was twofold:Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
1) I thought it would be interesting to survey our forumers' spiritual beliefs.
2) Just an interesting discussion topic. It's fun to argue. ;)
Nothing to do with Easter, though.
Oh, and I'm very glad we've been able to keep it civil so far. :up: I guess Knock-on will have to change his ways and become a believer... in our capacity to hold a good discussion.
Just a little confused here mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
you believe in a God but not a Religion? Is that correct?
If not, what religion do you believe in and why can you cherry pick what bits apply to you and what bits don't. I'm not trying to be flippant but really am struggling to understand this belief thing. I thought you were a believer or not.
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Soul is a very different thing to religious faith. One can have soul and not have religious faith. I do not consider it a spiritual thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo