Sutil will stand trial in a German court later this month

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ioan

I was wondering where were you hiding all this time, then you come up with this BS bomb! :laugh:

---

As opposed to your reasoned contributions to the thread, ioan?

Again, I ask you: on what is your view based — an in-depth examination of the footage that the rest of us haven't seen, your personal recollection of the events of that night, or the same media coverage as we've all seen on which you have placed your own over-imaginative spin?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

Thank you Sir.
I've been surfing through some more articles and they are largely based on the same AP account with the damning evidence being:
Lux must be a real tool because he has been quoted as saying in testimony that the reason he didn't accept Sutils apology was that Sutil didn't come to Luxemburg and apologies in person. I would think that upon getting the offer of tons of money, if the real reason for following through with the trial was that he wanted a personal apology, I doubt that AS would have refused, plus his charities would make good use of the funds. He probably could have gotten the personal apology and some big bucks for his charities. I understand why Hamilton didn't want to attend, because this Lux character sounds like he might get a kick out of character assassination. I actually feel badly for Hamilton because he is going to get his dick dragged through the dirt in the appeal over what sounds like something that he had no hand in. If the Sutils wanted him there that badly they should have subpoenaed him. If Hamilton (actually his Lawyers) managed to get permission not to attend, when it came time for the trial Sutil could have asked for, and gotten a continuance.
Stick a fork in me; I'm done speculating about this barbeque! :wave:

---

Nice reasoning Traz man .
The charities now get $200k instead of tens of millions .
You must be right about Lux being a tool .
I hadn't really thought too much about his character with all that blood in the way .
There was a quote earlier somewhere in the thread about him reserving the right to pursue others involved .

That would fit with the idea of pressure for Lewis to stay out of it .
But , why would Hamilton fear Lux , if he had nothing to do with it ?
How could he pressure Lewis ?


You know what Mr. ?
This all fits rather nicely .
Originally , we heard Lewis would attend .
Then , we heard his lawyers got him excused .

The Sutils certainly sounded surprised , and hurt .
That fits with Lewis agreeing to help , and then getting advice from his team to duck out .

That fits with how lawyers talk to lawyers out of court , assuring witnesses are excused .
That fits with the railroad account that Adam Cooper gave of the trial disregarding CCTV footage that seemed to rather obviously to him to paint a different light on the incident .


Sutil describes Lux as someone who would only be happy if Adrian was completely destroyed .
He offered tens of millions , ended up paying out only $200k , but lost his job and his reputation .
Money was not the object .
I understand why , if this was the reason , Lewis would not want to testify , as he could become the next object of obsession for one so vindictive as Lux .
If it was the reason , though , I would also understand the Sutil's point of view .

Like a runaway train, there's no stopping Bagwan.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bagwan

Nice reasoning Traz man .
The charities now get $200k instead of tens of millions .
You must be right about Lux being a tool .
I hadn't really thought too much about his character with all that blood in the way .
There was a quote earlier somewhere in the thread about him reserving the right to pursue others involved .

That would fit with the idea of pressure for Lewis to stay out of it .
But , why would Hamilton fear Lux , if he had nothing to do with it ?
How could he pressure Lewis ?


You know what Mr. ?
This all fits rather nicely .
Originally , we heard Lewis would attend .
Then , we heard his lawyers got him excused .

The Sutils certainly sounded surprised , and hurt .
That fits with Lewis agreeing to help , and then getting advice from his team to duck out .

That fits with how lawyers talk to lawyers out of court , assuring witnesses are excused .
That fits with the railroad account that Adam Cooper gave of the trial disregarding CCTV footage that seemed to rather obviously to him to paint a different light on the incident .


Sutil describes Lux as someone who would only be happy if Adrian was completely destroyed .
He offered tens of millions , ended up paying out only $200k , but lost his job and his reputation .
Money was not the object .
I understand why , if this was the reason , Lewis would not want to testify , as he could become the next object of obsession for one so vindictive as Lux .
If it was the reason , though , I would also understand the Sutil's point of view .

---

Why, I mean, seriously WHY, if you are sure you have a good case, would you offer tens of millions to settle out of court? That is bizarre at best.

The Hamilton thing, as far as I read it, is a smokescreen, put out there by the 'innocent' Sutils to deflect attention and to try and salvage a career that is going down the pan quicker than a Richard III.

If you were told that, the case could be settled by a personal face to face apology, what would you do. Options are;

Fork out tens of millions in the hope of an out of court settlement

or

Go and apologise?

Tough one that, init.....

Maybe Adrian has something to hide that Lux knows about, and this is what sparked the altercation in the first place. Who knows. It certainly is not, Prima Facie, plain and simple.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Like a runaway train, there's no stopping Bagwan.

---

Don't stop him now, he's having such a good time - he's having a ball........ ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Don't stop him now, he's having such a good time - he's having a ball........ ;)

---

My German Shepherd has this thick bit of rope tied to a tree that he loves grabbing in his mouth and furiously tugging on. Sometimes I'm sure he's going to rip his teeth out or break his neck because of the ferocity he goes at it. He has no reason to believe he's ever going to win this tug of war but against all the evidence, refuses to accept facts and keeps forlornly going at it with all the vigour he can manage.

And they say German Shepherds are intelligent? He has the same brains as some on here. I feel cheated :)

1 point it was 3 weeks before the first report to make any paper so no one can know for sure what did happen

it looks like it may have been in the room of the last post i made

Leaked: F1 driver Adrian Sutil was in bar fight at M1NT following Shanghai GP - Shanghaiist

Quote:

---

johnnychangwalkerhttp://mediacdn.disqus.com/132944475.../moderator.png9 months agohttp://shanghaiist.com/2011/05/12/f1...bar_fight.php#
... there are no private rooms in M1NT, only VIP upstairs where they certainly would not be. fail story.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Why, I mean, seriously WHY, if you are sure you have a good case, would you offer tens of millions to settle out of court? That is bizarre at best.

The Hamilton thing, as far as I read it, is a smokescreen, put out there by the 'innocent' Sutils to deflect attention and to try and salvage a career that is going down the pan quicker than a Richard III.

If you were told that, the case could be settled by a personal face to face apology, what would you do. Options are;

Fork out tens of millions in the hope of an out of court settlement

or

Go and apologise?

Tough one that, init.....

Maybe Adrian has something to hide that Lux knows about, and this is what sparked the altercation in the first place. Who knows. It certainly is not, Prima Facie, plain and simple.

---

Adrian has never denied having caused injury to Lux .
He apparently tried to pay recompence to Lux before the trial , with the money said to be going to charity .

Attempts were made to apologise over the phone , but the calls were not answered , in the literal sense .

Hard to know one isn't making a good enough effort if one isn't told this is the case .


His line of defence is that it was an accident , not that he didn't do it .
An out of court settlement in a case such as this is not bizarre at all , but rather , quite commonplace .


If Lux was not taking his calls , it would also be rather hard to arrange any kind of meeting in which to apologise , wouldn't it ?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bagwan

Adrian has never denied having caused injury to Lux .
He apparently tried to pay recompence to Lux before the trial , with the money said to be going to charity .

Attempts were made to apologise over the phone , but the calls were not answered , in the literal sense .

Hard to know one isn't making a good enough effort if one isn't told this is the case .


His line of defence is that it was an accident , not that he didn't do it .
An out of court settlement in a case such as this is not bizarre at all , but rather , quite commonplace .


If Lux was not taking his calls , it would also be rather hard to arrange any kind of meeting in which to apologise , wouldn't it ?

---

Lux then was being deliberately evasive? To what aim. Vindictiveness - dragging it through the courts - seems to be his aim. Gives a hint of the character then, and quite understandable then that Hamilton's management have advised he leave well alone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Lux then was being deliberately evasive? To what aim. Vindictiveness - dragging it through the courts - seems to be his aim. Gives a hint of the character then, and quite understandable then that Hamilton's management have advised he leave well alone.

---

Here's an exerpt from a Speed tv article :
"udge Christiane Thiemann read out a mail from Sutil to Lux dated last May, in which the driver offered to support Lux's African charity project.

Sutil said Lux's counter-offers for an out-of-court settlement were "comical", for a "very, very high amount" of money and involving voluntarily sitting out several races.

"He wanted to destroy me, to make sure I'm in jail for years," said Sutil.

"I did everything to try to settle this." "



Seems pretty plausable , doesn't it Wilko(I got it right this time ...your name I mean) ?

So , you support this area of speculation then ?
Careful , you could get called a "Gambini" , supporting a "German shepherd" like me .