Wikileaks

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Senseless is a obnoxious lout making stupid comments and when the gross stupidity is gently pointed out to him, not even acknowledging his own statements and
acting as if he never wrote what he wrote.

But I do agree, any dialog with people like Reibe is by its very nature senseless.

His crowd cannot defend indefensible utterances, and according to themselves, can never do or say, or write anything wrong.

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Here is a inter-net hanky, http://foolstown.com/sm/ma.gif now take two aspirin and go lie down.

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Originally Posted by AAReagles

…. And this would compensate for the disgrace of the US government?

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I've yet to see anything from Wikileaks that disgraced any government. If the public finds any of these leaks as shocking, then I'd suggest the public in general doesn't have much of a grasp as to what goes in in diplomatic relations, or for that matter even a lot of company board meetings.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I've yet to see anything from Wikileaks that disgraced any government. If the public finds any of these leaks as shocking, then I'd suggest the public in general doesn't have much of a grasp as to what goes in in diplomatic relations, or for that matter even a lot of company board meetings.

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Have you actually had a proper look at the leaks? If governments are not disgraced by what has been revealed in some of the documents, then we are all a lot more fu@ked than we though we were. Some of the war crime revelations (just to mention one area of the leaks) are plain old sickening.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Have you actually had a proper look at the leaks? If governments are not disgraced by what has been revealed in some of the documents, then we are all a lot more fu@ked than we though we were. Some of the war crime revelations (just to mention one area of the leaks) are plain old sickening.

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Tsk tsk, it's only a War Crime if other people designated by the White house do it. Killing millions of people in order to bring them democracy and save them from ____________________________(fill in the blank) is always perfectly acceptable if somebody in the US Government says it's OK.

Remember, to die for Freedom™ is a privilege.


And don't forget "they" don't value life we "we'' do, so it doesn't bother "them" to see all their parents or kids blown into biftek hâché, or filled with lead the same way as it bothers us.

In general we should always learn from ''the other side'', those who call themselves Republi-tari-baggers who answered those of us who decried the rape of the Bill of Rights guarantee of "freedom in their persons from unreasonable search in seizure " with a pithy phrase which we can return now:

If the Gubbymint officials and Military weren't doing anything illegal, then what are they afraid of?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I've yet to see anything from Wikileaks that disgraced any government. If the public finds any of these leaks as shocking, then I'd suggest the public in general doesn't have much of a grasp as to what goes in in diplomatic relations, or for that matter even a lot of company board meetings.

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If I recall correctly, you were regarding Wikileaks - in some sense or another - as no different from slanted news sources. Which is where I took the quote from.

In other words, Wikileaks is basically a harmless source, like any other media, with exception to propaganda that suits a particular audience.

That being said, I’ll admit that it is an apples and oranges comparison whenever comparing state agencies to private mediums. Govt responsibilities and pressures are far greater than what those in the information industry are accustomed to. Nevertheless with that responsibility comes accountability.

Accountability is something that the ruling class appears to have some amnesia with.

For instance:

- why is it that the govt bailed out the banks and auto industry, but did nothing for the private farmers (25-30 years ago) when they faced a $ crisis due to no fault of their own?

- How is it that this country is involved in two wars, yet allowed the Walter Reed M.C. turn into an unsanitary relic of a hospital?

- why was it so difficult to be prepared for (at the very least) elementary emergency response protocol prior to more than enough warning of Hurricane Katrina arriving in the gulf region?

- speaking of the gulf region, why was there no govt oversight of BP’s containment/clean-up operations after they already were proven to be negligent on other (prior) disasters that cost lives?

- how is it that a nation that engaged in a lengthy, bloody conflict that cost over 54,000 american lives - all for the sake of fighting communism - finally discovered it’s in debt to a communist nation, that supported their adversary?

These are questions that I, along with some other folks I’m sure, would like to see answered. Which won’t happen of course.

Mr. Assange is no saint, but his reputation will hardly be as tarnished as those, the powers that be, who condemn him, and who fear what he represents: knowledge.

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Originally Posted by AAReagles

If I recall correctly, you were regarding Wikileaks - in some sense or another - as no different from slanted news sources. Which is where I took the quote from.

In other words, Wikileaks is basically a harmless source, like any other media, with exception to propaganda that suits a particular audience.

That being said, I’ll admit that it is an apples and oranges comparison whenever comparing state agencies to private mediums. Govt responsibilities and pressures are far greater than what those in the information industry are accustomed to. Nevertheless with that responsibility comes accountability.

Accountability is something that the ruling class appears to have some amnesia with.

For instance:

- why is it that the govt bailed out the banks and auto industry, but did nothing for the private farmers (25-30 years ago) when they faced a $ crisis due to no fault of their own?

- How is it that this country is involved in two wars, yet allowed the Walter Reed M.C. turn into an unsanitary relic of a hospital?

- why was it so difficult to be prepared for (at the very least) elementary emergency response protocol prior to more than enough warning of Hurricane Katrina arriving in the gulf region?

- speaking of the gulf region, why was there no govt oversight of BP’s containment/clean-up operations after they already were proven to be negligent on other (prior) disasters that cost lives?

- how is it that a nation that engaged in a lengthy, bloody conflict that cost over 54,000 american lives - all for the sake of fighting communism - finally discovered it’s in debt to a communist nation, that supported their adversary?

These are questions that I, along with some other folks I’m sure, would like to see answered. Which won’t happen of course.

Mr. Assange is no saint, but his reputation will hardly be as tarnished as those, the powers that be, who condemn him, and who fear what he represents: knowledge.

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Knowledge in the wrong hands is why Japan and Germany lost WWII.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Knowledge in the wrong hands is why Japan and Germany lost WWII.

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Blind ambitions with power is what cost them the war.

The same equation that's scavaged this country with career politicians prostituting themselves out for corporate pimps.

If that wasn't the case then there would have been no issue about earmarks and the recent Supreme Court ruling for corporations to donate to campaigns.

Further more I'll add, that when any American on this forum (or outside of it for that matter) can convince me that this country is a democracy, and not an oligarchy - I stop supporting the likes of Wikileaks.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Tsk tsk, it's only a War Crime if other people designated by the White house do it. Killing millions of people in order to bring them democracy and save them from ____________________________(fill in the blank) is always perfectly acceptable if somebody in the US Government says it's OK.

Remember, to die for Freedom™ is a privilege.


And don't forget "they" don't value life we "we'' do, so it doesn't bother "them" to see all their parents or kids blown into biftek hâché, or filled with lead the same way as it bothers us.

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Well said :)