Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

to me the superior position is the one being on the ideal racing line...It was actualy Kimi making a block move..staying on the inside line..off the racing line....But also meaning he couldn't take the chicane in the ideal way..pushing the car besides him off the track...

but like you said..it's called racing and this should have been seen as just a racing incident...end of story !

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Kimi had the ideal racing line. So he could block the $h!t out of Hamilton if he wanted to.
It was up to Hamilton not to get in a stupid situation, and I'm not sure he managed it right.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Setting aside the rights and wrongs of this, what pisses me off as an F1 fan is that a great race has been ruined. Whether the decision is overturned or not the 2008 Belgian GP will be remembered for this and not for the dramatic and exciting last few laps.

Coming into work on Monday morning people are not talking about a great race at one of the great F1 venues, and they should be.

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Totally agree with you, still I think FIA made the right decision :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

If he didn't lift, than he didn't give back the advantage he gained by cutting the chicane, and he is guilty.

If he lifted than he is unguilty.

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But why does whether he lifted matter? The advantage he gained was that he passed Raikkonen, which was negated moments later. Regardless of whether he lifted or not.

Unless the stewards are trying to argue that:

If Hamilton braked as early into the chicane as Raikkonen did, and followed Raikkonen through the chicane on the racing line, he would not have been as close to Raikkonen before the braking zone to La Source as he would've if he did what he did - meaning Hamilton gained an unfair advantage.

Which would be a flawed argument. They would be forgetting about why grand prix drivers race, and instead, rely on armchair expertise rather than empathy for the sitation of the drivers in that situation. Seeing a win being taken from a driver because of a petty and contentious argument is disappointing and irritating, not least because it means I have to defend Hamilton :p :

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ll have to make the telemetry data public for the appeal anyway.

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I did not know this.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Kimi had the ideal racing line. So he could block the $h!t out of Hamilton if he wanted to.
It was up to Hamilton not to get in a stupid situation, and I'm not sure he managed it right.

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yp he was and yep he could..But by doin so..staying on the inside (right side of the track) he left the ideal line..Lewis staid on the left...on the ideal racing line...in these conditions also meaning Lewis had an advantage in breaking..what explains why he got besides Kimi....

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Originally Posted by ioan

He meant to say that id there is enough distance between the 2 cars than the following car can, at least in theory, carry a higher speed through the corner and thus have an advantage down the straight.
However when the cars are following each other very very closely like it would have been if Hamilton would have decided not to cut the chicane, then the following car can't go faster than the car in front, not without running over it, and thus it won't have a speed advantage down the following straight.

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It sounds, then, as though Hamilton shot himself in the foot anyway by braking too late in the first place.

Personally, I think that to stop these issues in future, the FIA should say that results cannot be changed after the race has finished, and that penalties given after the race should be limited to fines and/or grid position penalties for the next race.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

But why does whether he lifted matter?

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Because if he didn't lift it means that he clearly obtained an advantage by cutting the chicane, rather than going around it. Just take a look at the trajectories both cars had, and see which one was shorter.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

I did not know this.

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I doubt that they could support their point without making that.
If they win the appeal than other teams will have the right to ask to see the proof.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

yp he was and yep he could..But by doin so..staying on the inside (right side of the track) he left the ideal line..Lewis staid on the left...on the ideal racing line...in these conditions also meaning Lewis had an advantage in breaking..what explains why he got besides Kimi....

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No ofense but your post proves that you don't understand racing.
The car that has the apex on a corner has the racing line, not the other one.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Because if he didn't lift it means that he clearly obtained an advantage by cutting the chicane, rather than going around it. Just take a look at the trajectories both cars had, and see which one was shorter.



I doubt that they could support their point without making that.
If they win the appeal than other teams will have the right to ask to see the proof.

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But seems Kimi's trajectoire was the faster one..otherwise explain why he could pass Lewis on the straight ? so again..what advantage ?

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

But seems Kimi's trajectoire was the faster one..otherwise explain why he could pass Lewis on the straight ? so again..what advantage ?

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I give up on trying.

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Originally Posted by ioan

No ofense but your post proves that you don't understand racing.
The car that has the apex on a corner has the racing line, not the other one.

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I think it shows you don't quite cut the mustard either...

Lewis, by taking the ouside (and I should imagine more grippy in greasy wet conditions) line, was setting himself up for the inside line at the next corner....

Sadly, he was driven off the road, and had to take avoiding action.

Then we have Kimi doing his best impression of driving home from a heavy session down the pub on the start/finnish straight.....