Rallye Wrc Monte-Carlo 2013

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Originally Posted by Franky

Rallyper, cool down now.

If we'd go for 100% safe and security we will be allowed to watch rally only via video.

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I´m perfectly under control. But I´m also kind of logical. If things are judged in a way (for example the route for RMC 2013) you´ll have to stick to that. If safety can´t be upheld, you do something different, not just letting things go and say to yourself: "we could of course stop the race in half or the two last stages" or just like that. That´s not logical and shouldn´t be a way to solve problems.

That´s why I´m thinking of the way it ended up as a big shame which only gained one carmaker. You have decided to do RMC in any conditions choosing the route. Then stick to it and Bouffier might have won... Who knows?

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

I´m perfectly under control. But I´m also kind of logical.

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No, you're not. But that's my impression.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

So after the night Turini was brought back in 2009 it was run 10x successfully and the 11th run was canceled and You act like it was the end of the world, eh? They canceled 6 stages last year in Portugal, every year there are canceled stages in Argentina. So what? Will we kick these rallies out of the calendar? It's part of the game and it has always been part of the game. It doesn't mater if it's usual terrible weather in Argentina or too few access roads in France, or people hidden in wineyards on dangerous places in Alsace or anything else. These are circumstances which make some events more difficult to organize.

What matters is that the iconic events and stages appeal to the public much more than uniform maybe non-problematic events of the modern WRC. You want to get rid of legendary stages like Col de Turini on which the history of rallying started. OK, on same safety basis we can immediately kick out Ouninpohja because it's dangerous as hell. We can kick out El Condor because there is always bad weather. We can kick out Whaanga Coast because somebody could fall into the sea. We can kick out panzerplatte because the hinkelsteins are dangerous. And in the end we will be sitting at home watching videos of Walter Röhl climbing up the Turini and crying about the good old days...

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Let´s stick to the subject. Safety.

If these conditions are known to appear, then use proper equipments; for example tyres. You´re right about "this is the way they´ve doing it for yrs" and that´s why they´re using such out-of-date tyres. So proper tyres is what it is about. You know no one should ever dream of doing Rally Sweden with the tyres they use in RMC, would they. I suspect even FIA shouldn´t allow that. But in RMC it´s OK. You know where I´m getting?
Yes, Ouninpohja should be kicked out if they only had to use old tyres with patterns from annudazumal, that´s for sure.

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Originally Posted by cali

No, you're not. But that's my impression.

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Myabe I´m from another age than you...? (Following RMC since beginning of the 60´s)

Rallyper, you are not logical! They have they cancelled the Turini last year? Of the years before that? No! So how on earth could they predict that it would happen now? The weather was just extremely bad this year... No one can change anything about that and no one could predict that when they made the itinerary months back!
Good luck in organising a rally for 100 years without having to cancel a single stage...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Let´s stick to the subject. Safety.

If these conditions are known to appear, then use proper equipments; for example tyres. You´re right about "this is the way they´ve doing it for yrs" and that´s why they´re using such out-of-date tyres. So proper tyres is what it is about. You know no one should ever dream of doing Rally Sweden with the tyres they use in RMC, would they. I suspect even FIA shouldn´t allow that. But in RMC it´s OK. You know where I´m getting?
Yes, Ouninpohja should be kicked out if they only had to use old tyres with patterns from annudazumal, that´s for sure.

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Funny...
With the big number of fatal accidents last year some people on this forum said "tyres should provide less grip, the cornering speed is too high now".
The conditions are same for everyone, and so are the tyres... A stage should not be banned because it is too dangerous for the drivers, it is part of the sport, and something can happen everywhere... If you ban Turini for safety issues, you can ban practically each stage in Monte Carlo. Talking about Finland, Ouninpohja may be dangerous, but the other stages in Finland are almost just as fast and in every corner something can happen... And if they would drive it on worse tyres, the speed would be lower, so the risk of having a accident with serious injuries would be lower, no? ;)

Endless discussion with nothing to win, the risk is part of the sport, and if you want to take out all risks, you kill the sport...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

But that´s not an answer. History over security? No.

Organizer always have to take action to any problems that may appear. In advance. Now they didn´t. Just let everything go. As for 100 yrs ago...

That is not the level safety measures should be handled.

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They did cancel the stage. That's security over history. Cancelling the stage is valid and very effective security measure. And they probably had planned beforehand when to cancel as the cancellation came quite early. And little controversy is always part of the Monte Carlo.

In my opinion we even didn't lose much of the race because everyone would have been driving basically as slow as possible.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Let´s stick to the subject. Safety.

If these conditions are known to appear, then use proper equipments; for example tyres. You´re right about "this is the way they´ve doing it for yrs" and that´s why they´re using such out-of-date tyres. So proper tyres is what it is about. You know no one should ever dream of doing Rally Sweden with the tyres they use in RMC, would they. I suspect even FIA shouldn´t allow that. But in RMC it´s OK. You know where I´m getting?
Yes, Ouninpohja should be kicked out if they only had to use old tyres with patterns from annudazumal, that´s for sure.

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So You are jumping to another subject pretending You spoke about this one from start? Why shall I play this game with You?

Do You know that narrow winter tyres are allowed in RMC? All 2WD cars use them. Why 4WD can't is a question but I doubt it's because of the organization. Why there are no proper rain asphalt tyres in WRC? Because FIA allows only one pattern for all asphalt tyres or 4WD cars. Remember how in Ireland drivers used snow tyres because they had no appropriate rain tyres and they were not allowed to cut those they had? Was it a mistake of the Irish? I guess the real reason is in FIA and in their sometimes strange decisions.

By the way You can't use Swedish studs with asphalt surface bellow ice and snow. Those tyres would be destroyed in just few kilometers plus there would be a lot of damage to the roads.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

...hopefully not because of Latvalas´unluck...

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Most definitelly not, I don't like such things to happen to any driver. The clip just gave us view of what really happen, Latvala was very unlucky there, true the speed was high, there was slush exactly on the corner and that made the difference with other drivers who passed this place safely, but if he didn't hit that tree that heavily, probably the damage wouldn't be so bad, may be only few scratches...

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

...but if he didn't hit that tree that heavily, probably the damage wouldn't be so bad, may be only few scratches...

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You saw what happenend to Novikov at that corner...not just scratches ;)