MERC Round 4, Rally of Lebanon Entry list announced: http://www.rallyoflebanon.com/pdf/RO...-list-2012.pdf
Al Attiyah is driving a Citroen. I suppose it'll be the debut of the Citroen DS3 RRC...
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MERC Round 4, Rally of Lebanon Entry list announced: http://www.rallyoflebanon.com/pdf/RO...-list-2012.pdf
Al Attiyah is driving a Citroen. I suppose it'll be the debut of the Citroen DS3 RRC...
Interestingly, Citroen WRT and Ford WRT are almost tied on the number of SS wins (79 v. 78), but the former have scored almost twice as many points as the latter (320 v. 197). It would be great, if the stats on number of retirements (or +5 mins stages, as the part of Rally2) were available as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
I'm pretty sure that he has the potential to achieve more in WRC than Raikkonen did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
unfortunately his career at any kind of top level motorsport is over... but he is more than welcome to join the best motorsport in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Test Robert Kubica - Ford Fiesta WRC 2012 [HD] - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Was this Kubica's the very first test in a wrc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
I'm hearing stupid rumours that he will step straight into the Ford WRT car, and Latvala will go to Volkswagen. But even if Latvala does go to VW, I find it incredibly unlikely that Kubica would join Ford WRT. I'd say Ford would be more likely to take Ostberg or Tanak, leaving an Adapta or M-Sport drive free for Kubica.Quote:
Originally Posted by kober
It's fake, because this is pre-Germany Ford tests on BaumholderQuote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
Colin Clark @voiceofrallyQuote:
Originally Posted by AP-Racing
My understanding is that Robert Kubica tested the Fiesta WRC a few months ago on a Tarmac circuit with JML and PS. Told he was mighty quick!
Colin Clark @voiceofrally wrote
"I don't think it's anything to do with a future drive, Kubica has friends in Ford and he wanted to have a drive"
Plus he drove with one hand! For steering and gear change! Just some fun guys..
This guy always posts strange links, I wonder how he isnt banned yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AP-Racing
actually it's a 2011 Hirvonen test video...
Mikko Hirvonen - Tests Germany 2011 [HD] - YouTube
Robert Kubica tests factory WRC Fiesta - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
I'm not so sure about that. Once it became apparent that Kubica was on the mend, several Formula 1 teams gave him a standing invitation to test with them whenever he felt ready to. I believe a GP2 and/or Formula Renault 3.5 car was also made available if he wanted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I find it odd, then, that he would elect to test a Fiesta WRC. If he wanted back into open-wheel racing, why not take up any of the offers that were made to him?
I suppose he might have wanted to test a WRC car because he would have much more freedom of movement in his shoulders than in an open-wheel car, since the cockpit of an open-wheel car pins the driver in place, and there is no room to move the shoulders; most of the steering action is in the wrist and elbow. A WRC car has no such limitations, allowing Kubica to drive with his shoulders more. It could serve as a preliminary or baseline test to establish whether or not he can handle a car at speed, giving him more information on whether or not a comeback in Formula 1 is feasible.
But I still find it strange that Kubica would join the factory team for testing at his own expense and work with Latvala and Solberg on the car. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I'd like to see Kubica rallying if he can't return to Formula 1 (which I think is likely).
ANOTHER LINK Robert Kubica drives Ford WRC car in secret test - SpeedcafeQuote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
All rumors came from Eurosport.fr news posted sunday.
So test made at July. Thats for sure. Everyone including me thin that misterious driver is Kubica. Yes i hope he is. He tested some more events before as all we know. He drives his own Clio S1600 and a Fabia WRC. Of course nobody know he drives or or just sit on right side.
I hope Kubica will be back in rallying soon. He is very fast in Tarmac. I dont mind he back on F1 really.
Just a small illustration to reveal the fake video. Hopefully spreads to different places so that even the general public is aware that the video is fake.
full article anybody?Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
Pay €1! :p
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Because I am in a good mood today.
The kitchen floor in Malcolm Wilson's house must be a bit of a mess, full of those buttery stains left when a spilled slice of toast hits the deck dry-side up.
The Ford team principal himself doesn't deal in fortune, it's neither quantifiable or tangible and therefore holds no stead with a man who's only interest is making a Fiesta RS WRC go faster. But, boy, could Malcolm Wilson do with a break right now.
On the flip side, Sebastien Loeb is regularly touted as the luckiest of drivers. We've been here before: Loeb does make his own luck – his car doesn't break because he doesn't bounce it off things. And, last Saturday morning on Rallye Deutschland, the eight-time world champion was, once again, the finder of fortune when the rains came mid-way through the Stein and Wein stage.
Running first on the road, the Frenchman was the least affected of the leading bunch by the rain – but he still had it for almost half the stage. Was that luck? No.
The wily Loeb knew full well that the place to catch a break would be at the front. Being first through the stages stacked the odds in his favour if the weather changed once the test was underway. So, Loeb drove his Citroen DS3 WRC faster than anybody else, and then kept it drier than everybody else. Of course, the weather could have gone the other way and he could have caught the tail-end of a storm; not even Loeb can do anything to change a meteorological course, all he can do is affect his location when it does come and being in the middle of the pack means you get the same as those around you.
Being out front gives you a chance; it gives you the edge.
And the Fords were, of course, hindered terribly in the rain with Petter Solberg and Jari-Matti Latvala dropping 41.8 and 54.8 seconds respectively. It was in that stage just to the east of Trier last Saturday morning that Loeb cemented his ninth Rallye Deutschland win from 10 starts.
What had happened to Ford's pre-event confidence? What about all that time honing the Fiesta on a French racetrack through the summer? Where had all that speed gone?
Nowhere, it was all there. It just wasn't being put to the best possible use.
Ford could have won in France last week. Ford could have won in New Zealand, Greece, Argentina, Portugal, Mexico and, maybe, even Monte Carlo too. So why didn't it win? Too many mistakes. And because Latvala decided to go skiing in April.
I have huge respect for Latvala and Solberg. Solberg is a world champion and his team-mate has more than enough speed to lift a world title of his own. But, right now, neither is driving like a world champion.
Solberg, like those around him, is motivated solely by winning and, for me, the Norwegian is trying too hard. He's the tennis player who works the court, slices his opponent open with a booming shot down the line, but then misses the much simpler volley at the net.
Could Solberg really have won in Germany? It was unlikely. But he certainly couldn't have done it once his Fiesta's right-rear wheel parted company with the rest of the car.
Latvala, however, could have won.
On Rallye Deutschland last year, Ford was hammered, beaten out of site. The British team was half a minute down on its French rival after two stages.
And after one stage? Latvala's Ford was leading.
Last year's problem was Citroen's far better use of the tyres. For the first time, Michelin's combination of hard and soft were distributed diagonally (softs on front-left and rear-right and hards on front-right and rear-left) and then side by side (softs on the left, hards on the right). This truly caught Ford on the hop. It was that innovation in the changeable weather that won Citroen (and Sebastien Ogier) the rally last year. Citroen wasn't faster than Ford, just more imaginative.
In total last year, Ford won four stages in Germany. And as the team's technical director Christian Loriaux pointed out, "if you win four, you can win 10. And if you can win 10, you can win the rally."
So, what's the answer for Ford? Results is what it needs but, for the ninth season in succession, all the shouting is being done by the little fella from Alsace. His seven wins have, once again, been mightily impressive this season. Latvala's sole Swedish success considerably less so.
Latvala's lack of wins has hit Ford hard this year. This was to be, or so we were told, his year. Everything was being built around the 27-year-old in 2012 – including a one-time world champion as his wingman. And Latvala has failed to deliver.
And, what's worse is that, even when he has been at the front of the field, you've never really had the confidence to believe that he could make it stick. Except in the snow.
Brilliant rally driver though Latvala is, he has shown himself to be mentally fragile at times. But those days, simply have to be put behind him.
And I thought they were. Until I heard that he'd told Miikka Anttila, his co-driver, he didn't want his split times to be given to him in the second run through Mosselland last Friday afternoon. On the stage before, Latvala had just set his first scratch time of the event, but it had come at a cost – he'd had a couple of proper moments along the way and he feared he couldn't keep the speed without visiting the scenery.
So, time-wise, he silenced the man next to him and drove at his own pace through stage five. The result? He dropped roughly a second a mile to Loeb through the 13-miler and watched in horror as the gap between him and the leader opened to almost 30 seconds.
Then, to add insult to injury, Loeb went fastest again on the next one.
Sorry, but that sort of thing is just not acceptable at this level. Latvala is a professional driver with more WRC experience than champions like Miki Biasion, Ari Vatanen, Timo Salonen and Richard Burns.
Latvala dropped nine seconds on the opening stage in Germany last week, when he went for a hard-soft crossed approach with the tyres. It didn't work, there wasn't enough damp around. Later that same day, I sought reason for what had looked like quite a strange decision.
"We knew it wouldn't work," said one Ford team member, "but it was right in Jari-Matti's head and we didn't want to force him into a tyre choice which he didn't want. That could have affected his confidence."
In a nutshell, that summed the whole Latvala issue up for me.
Wilson knows far more than most about dealing with precious and precarious drivers, but has he stood by Latvala for too long now? There are certainly those who would prescribe to that view.
And would Ford's resistance to Citroen have been as futile had Wilson secured Ogier for this season? I don't believe so. But therein lies the problem. How could Wilson and Ford have secured probably the second most valuable driver in the WRC when its total operating budget is smaller than the sum that Citroen is paying two people – Loeb and his team-mate Mikko Hirvonen – this season? Simple, it couldn't.
In relation to pounds invested, the M-Sport-built cars deliver considerably more points than Citroen does, but this sport has no truck with such fiscal sentimentality. Cash counts here as much as anywhere.
Both Solberg and Latvala have the ability to win rallies. And now, more than ever, they have to believe in themselves and those around them. Because now, more than ever, they have to win rallies.
Thanks EG.
Interesting reading, thanks. Looking at the big picture, they made mistakes every single Rally this year, not just drivers though. In Argentina for example AFAIR the tyre choice was from the team, not Solberg. I don't know about NORF though, everything looked in order there, if we are not taking into account Citroen's new alien suspension which appeared the old Ford one.
Loeb: "I know what I want to do, but I'm not a decision maker"
In recent weeks, the same questions about the future of Sébastien Loeb back loop, but the answers are still elusive. While Citroën flagship and pilot agreed to formalize the decision in September, rumors are rife, the outright withdrawal of the brand in rallying a redemption of fund structure by Qatari pilot project led by Nasser Al-Attiyah, through a partial program arranged for Loeb in 2013. And the main person, that he said?- This new victory in Germany do reinforces Does not the idea to continue the adventure in 2013?- I realize that this is not yet the year too. I do not see why it would be next season. At age 38, I feel young! Experience pays, obviously, because I continue to go very quickly with less risk. On the other hand, if I want to move on, I will not wait for 50 years. Well, it's time to make a choice.- The decision can it be influenced by financial considerations?- No, that's for sure, because otherwise I would continue. It is a global choice, both family and professional.- Regarding your future, you always seem to settle in pain at the time of choice ...- (Cut it) But my decision is made!- Why not announce it?- I do not know (he thinks). Because there are plenty of things that are being considered, discussions on future cooperation, not only for next year are underway with Citroën. All depends on what can be put in place. I know what I want to do, but I'm not the decision maker. It has to be organized. You will see this in September ...
Automobile | Loeb : « Je sais ce que j’ai envie de faire, mais je ne suis pas décideur »
It is clear that his wife has yet to decideQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The date won't have helped, but I still say the biggest problem with Rally GB this year is Rally GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
A 4 hour trudge up north just for a ceremonial start? No wonder competitors aren't lining up.
They (Ford/MSport and MINI/Prodrive) could influence/participate in dates if that is a real problem. Somehow ADAC Rally had plenty of entires, just 3 weeks before GB, don't understand those excuses. It's just too expensive and getting more and more spectators unfriendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
I don't think you can really blame M-Sport and Prodrive. Especially since M-Sport are seding both their regular cars to Wales, plus an extra two for Matthew Wilson and Jannie Harbig. As for Prodrive, they only have the one car, so their presence isn't going to tip the balance in favour of a successful Rally GB should they decide to go.
I think Wilson raises a very valid point when he says the date change detracts from the event. The Welsh government asked for the rally to be brought forward to try and get better weather, but they've clearly missed the fact that a major part of the appeal of Rally GB is that it is usually run in atrocious conditions. It's meant to be wet, slippery and miserably cold; it's what makes Rally GB the Rally GB. One of the most genuine rally experiences you can have is getting up between the hours of why-the-hell-am-I-still-awake and please-God-just-let-me-sleep, driving out into the middle of a sodden Welsh forest - preferably one draped in a thick soup of fog - and staying warm by avoiding the splatters of icy mud that are kicked up by a rally car blasting past you as you try to figure out who it was that just went past. Add in some drunk Norwegian fans supporting Petter Solberg, and it's a good time. Although when I say it like that, it sounds completely bonkers.
But whatever the case, that's something that is going to be missing from this year's Rally GB. And this year's route doen't help one bit - no Great Orme, no Clocaenog, no Gartheiniog, no Dyfi East or West, and Hafren cut in half and merged with Sweet Lamb. All the good stages, gone (although Dyfnant and Myherin are still in there, and Epynt is coming back). The route would be okay if it was on its own, but after last year's rally (which was only really missing Resolfen), it's terrible.
And standing on Walthers arena in heavy showers coming horizontally in the darkness only seeing two headlamps passing by... Being wet inton the bare skin, wondering what you´re doing or why you are there...
I just wonder are Citroen are waiting Polo appearance in Sardinia to make up their decisions :confused: . I know it is in October, but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Autosport is reporting today that VW will not bring the Polo to Sardinia but they try to let it drive in Spain. It will drive the rally but will not show in the results.
They destroyed wrc with their unsport choose of drivers so they shouldn't say anything about events. But citroën guys can. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
That's very disappointing :( . I guess we shall wait until 2013 then...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
a translate please?
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2nvvt5k.jpg
Isn't it the same as Robert Kubica tests factory WRC Fiesta - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com with little Rallying background?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I dont believe them anymore. Seems like they are just exploiting the rumours to gain more attention. Such a big organization like them cannot change its plans every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
They're just giving Citroen courage not to give up yet :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Biensur Dimitris! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Secret testing took place in the first week of July in a French private "pista" one hour from Paris. Ford tested there 4 days and Kubica set the fastest time. He was also faster than JML and Petter. Robert was very happy with the car. No one knows if Kubica will come into rallying, but everything is open.