3rd win for Ogier from 4 last rallies, and all of those on tarmac.
Like i said before the rally, Ogier + Toyota the best combo at the moment on tarmac
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3rd win for Ogier from 4 last rallies, and all of those on tarmac.
Like i said before the rally, Ogier + Toyota the best combo at the moment on tarmac
Amazing rally and showing why I prefer tarmac rallying.
Fourmaux !!! what a debut. It will be interesting to see what happens with hin in the next events. He's the new kid on the block!
with every event and win the chance of Ogier retiring after this year decreases :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Organizer did a good job. Nice rally. Should be in calendar every year. Maybe mixed with Spain.
IMO as I said yesterday they really need to let him drive a lot of gravel, whatever the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Great stages, fast and technical enough, asset for WRC
Great rally until the last corner!!
I would, it's Ogier. I'd be surprised if they did anything about the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
A really nice rally, I hope it won't be the last time Croatia is in WRC. Shame for Hyundai's tyre choice, maybe we could have had an actual 3 way battle in the power stage. Ogier got 3 punctures (or so he says they were 3...), caused a road accident, disobeyed police and still managed to win, wow.
Why is there always a new french driver getting to the top?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
What is it that the french does to find the talents, is it the FFSA programs only?
Anyway, Formaux was impressive, and Greensmith must get tired of being beaten!
But all in all A step forward for the Fiesta WRC!
Rally director says that Ogier invited the guy whose car he destroyed on a dinner tonight. He is a rally fan and is delighted that he met Ogier like that :D
Seems like everything is fine.
even better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
i would give 5 extra points for this move to Ogier!
Nice indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
a comment left to Ogier accident YT video:
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Rally organizer: "It turned out a bit awkward that Ogier was running away from the cops and it’s clear to me that this could be interpreted from the video that was posted. No, a Toyota representative, who came immediately, is in coordination with the control of the entire rally organization and police together, made a deal to let Ogier go. I guess this cop didn't hear that so it turned out like Ogier was running away from him. There was no need for him to be detained, although the police have the right to exclude the vehicle from traffic, and at the same time from the rally if it is determined that it is unsafe to drive. His door was cracked, but he could continue the traffic so they let him go. The police took his data and the data of the driver of the other car, and they will have another conversation with Ogier later in the afternoon. If they find that he is really guilty, the other driver will pay damages as is done in every other car accident. All cars must have and have car insurance like you and me, fulfilling the European report and the procedures is the most normal"
Also, Croatian media reports that Ogier DID have police approval for leaving the place of car accident. That policeman who tried to stop him wasn't aware of that. They agreed to take action on Ogier after the rally.
because the FFSA actually looks for talent instead of rich kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
the RACB in belgium did the same once and found neuville. unfortunately they haven't tried it again since then.
Nothing new, but Tänak said to Estonian media after the Croatian rally, that he is not comfortable driving Hyundai on tarmac (indicated that only Neuville is comfortable with the car, other drivers not) and Hyundai isn't 100% comfortable on gravel either. Tänak hoped that they will find a solution, especially for tarmac rallies.
Yeah that makes him the 3rd in line, also now joined by Breen.
Well at least Breen was the fastest of the Hyundai's on the power stage if that's any consolation. In any case, Hyundai still have work to do for the next Tarmac rounds. Hopefully now that all crews have the experience on dry tarmac with those Pirellis, we'll have an (even more) intriguing battles on the 3 remaining tarmac rounds. I'm sure Adamo will hit back (just as they did last time out) when we come back to the gravel section of the season starting with Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
On a different note, what a debut for Adrien Fourmaux. He's really impressed and hopefully he'll get some eyes looking at him more closely from now on around the service park, it's a refreshing change of pace to see a new rally driver on the scene doing so well from the off, sure it was a tarmac event but that doesn't guarantee anything, as we saw time and again in this championship. Hopefully his next WRC event with a WRC car isn't too far off.
As for Croatia, what a debut for an event and that's before considering the 3rd closest finish ever in the championship, it's always nice to see a new event, especially a Tarmac one. It was really enjoyable to watch (when WRC+ was working properly), hopefully we get to see the event again next year and I sincerely hope that after this year the FIA and Promoter will be compelled to add new events every once an a while without waiting for a pandemic to happen. Looks really good in the championship, bring on Portugal!
I think that there isn't so much to do anymore with this gen Hyundai (for other than Neuville to suit it).. especially on tarmac. I'm sure that both Loeb and Tänak have tried a lot of things to make it work as they want, but no real success..
Evans has lost quite many wins due to mistakes or bad luck
-touching bridge on PS, Argentina 2017, lost victory
-puncture on PS, Corsica 2019, lost victory
-offroad in Monza 2020, lost possible WDC
-touching bank on PS, Croatia 2021, lost victory
you mean the delfi one?Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrial
Q: Can you say something about the performance on gravel of Hyundai?
A: No, i cant say/dont know. We have to drive the first rally through and then we will see. At the end of last year on gravel it was so and so, it has been 6 months since the last the gravel rally so its hard to say something.
I wonder why no reporter didn't ask him that what is the reason why he doesn't feel comfortable to push. Is it high speed corners, is it breaking, is it overall grip... Didn't hear from Estonian media (not surprise though, because the reporter is amazingly bad) and also from All Live crew that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrial
I'm still positive that they will find something. Ott is known for finding something that will help him. Next tarmac rallies are in the end of the year and there is time.
About carvel rallies then although it is not perfect there also, then I think he is more comfortable there. Road position in Portugal and Sardegna should help him also.
so still the same as in Monte, where he said that he hasn't been on pace for over a year.. With all the resources and knowhow it's sad though. 1.5 years gone by and no really big improvements..Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
pointless to ask him about those things, he wont answer anyway
Nah since they started to do something about it instead og telling drivers to adapt (so from mid2019-ish), they have improved a lot on tarmac. But Toyota isn't standing still and waiting for them. (Unlike MSport)Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
short memory?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
he was very much on the pace just 2 months ago on Arctic Rally, on Monte wont the first 2 stages and was 3rd after Friday. Has won a stage or stages on every rally so far this season, scroll down to the bottom https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/
it was just a one bad rally and now suddenly everything is lost. i would wait couple of more rallies to make conclusions.
Makes you wonder how good neuville must be when you see his pace in a car that all others think is crap. 😛
Very often we see the best and most exiting rallies coming from the newcomers, where no one has notes from the last years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ipe
So maybe we need more new venues?
More fuel to the fire - seems (and I'm surprised) that no one picked it up. Julian said (don't remember exactly when) on All-Live that he saw Markko Märtin (previous WRC driver, doing "manager" job for Tänak) visiting "other teams".
Question is how burned the bridges are at Toyota and how much faith they have in MSport next year.
Ingrassia :cool:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez0-OGiX...pg&name=medium
Well the solution for Arctic was really simple or even quite mind boggling. They had to get rid of the rear bumper to lose weight on the rear to not collect snow and ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
For tarmac you just can't do that. I'm no expert but what I see is it's related to the rear of the car as it likes to understeer a lot and if a driver can overcome understeer it oversteers quite badly.
Now the trend for Tänak has been to risk it with tyres. He starts every rally with 1 spare and gambles with tyre selection. It helped in Arctic due to the road position but in Croatia the road position was against back starters.
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If ogier actually retires it will be hard for toyota to find someone better than him. So i don't see a reason why they should not hire him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But from the other side, why would he go to toyota if he left them in the first place, while knowing they had the best car. He must have been pretty pissed.
i really hope he goes to Toyota for next year. i have wanted for years to see how he does in other teams. well in reality i would have liked to see in the current Toyota car, next year will be a new oneQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
i think it also depends a lot how he feels in which direction the new Hyundai car will go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Their long term bet is obviously that Rovanpera is ready to fight for championship. Question is if they risk it already for next year. I also think the Japanese bosses might oppose Tanaks coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
It's a shame for Tänak's career that he decided to leave Toyota. I think it's proving to have been a big mistake.
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Yes, Monte SS1-2 were good, but after that not his ,,Toyota times'' pace + trying to make it better/risking with 1 spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Arctic or Sweden are so fast, special and one-off events that they can't really be compared to typical tarmac or gravel events.. + Tänak has had good starting pos in Sweden and now Arctic also.
No stage wins in Monza and not many in Rally Estonia either. Not saying everything is suddenly lost, but Hyundai seems to be difficult to drive comfortably, knowing he could win stages/rallies more easily.
Yeah exactly, I think the quote in Monte Carlo really says it all on how he feels about the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Yes, he has been fast at certain rallies and has won 2 rallies but he has not been on his massively dominating pace once as he was in Toyota on most rallies for better part of 2 years.
Also heard from people close to his team that he has not been satisfied with the Hyundai car from the start and does not rate the team too much.
To his credit, he has been remarkably calm and reserved about criticizing the team and the car during rallies where he is off pace. Takes kind of "it is what it is" approach to interviews mostly.
A big turnaround from the Toyota times when at times he was very critical if things were not suiting him and had issues with the car. Not sure if it is a new and improved Ott or it is just that he knows there is not too much that can be done with this car anyway.
In any case, would be massively surprised if he stayed with Hyundai for next year.
I'm not sure rovanpera will ever be ready to fight for the championship. So far it has looked promising, but we have many such drivers in the past. He has yet to win a rally after all, the final step is the smallest but the hardest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But then again, neuville's first win came only in his 3th full wrc season. Tanak's in his 4th. We'll see how things evolve.