With stiff WRC suspension, at 150 km/h?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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With stiff WRC suspension, at 150 km/h?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Cant give the speed here, but on Apex or Eibach suspension and 18" alloys with 225/40 or 215/35 ultra low-profile tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Hitting potholes and sunken grids are a regular occurance and the jolts and sound can be horrendous. But never had any damage or punctures.
Years a go I broke a rim over a hole in the road even with 205/55 R16 at 80 km/h...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Anyway it's incomparable because the forces affecting the tyre at the moment of impact (especially lateral ones) are of completely different magnitude and the suspension keeping the wheel in contact with the surface is of a different world.
Is a rally tarmac tyre construction much different to a road car tyre of the same size and profile ? The sidewalls I guess are very stiff ?
totally different,much stiffer sidewallsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Tarmac tires are like made from stone compared to normal tires. I've seen tire machines braking when trying to put it on a rim. So cant really compare with normal tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
You can't just compare your road car experiences to WRC machines. Not even hobbyist rally car experiences are comparable. The speeds and forces are just on another level.
Eddie, have you even sat in a WRC car passenger seat and felt the sheer forces one of these things puts out in every direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
There’s literally no comparison to a road car.
And didn’t Evans say it was a stone anyway?
a potholeQuote:
Originally Posted by T16
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2_-BO5XQAALKrs.jpg
Yeah/.. seems that way, I was referring to what he said originally before the video told the truth. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Problem is that new WRC cars are so "brutal" and destroying the road very quickly. I have been there in 2017 and I was surprised, how the road can be destroyed after few WRC cars...
i don't think anyone would have predicted no stage wins for Ogier and/or Citroen for the rally. Would be interesting to see last time Ogier didn't get a stage win on a tarmac rally.
Probably back when he was in an S2000 Fabia!Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
Has there been any definite news on why Camilli caught fire?
on French forum they said that the fire started from back side of car.
Perfectly shows how Toyota an Fiesta were on different level this weekend. Also shows the Citroen struggles.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
For Neuville this is the way he has been driving on tarmac for last 1,5 years at least. There were good vids from Spain showing the same thing.
1. Throws car into corner, often with handbrake
2. Slides trough
How can that style get top 3 times is partly a mystery to me, maybe he just gains the time in other types of corners? (shorter or tighter) Might explain why sometimes he is in the top and then on next stage he can be way down again.
Sordo drives like a FWD car and does ok times most of the time (4-6th). Mikkelsen (last year) and Loeb (now) tried to drive like normal wrc car (same style as Tanak, Evans and Ogier here, trying to drive "on rails") and end up with horrible stagetimes.
i can see how driving like that can give good times, but i fail to understand how he doesn't destroy his tyres with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
T16 stating the obvious again. Of course theres a big difference between a rally car to a road car.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
But both having a low-profile tyre hitting a pothole in a straight line is comparable. That's why I was interested in the explanation.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie WRC;1213802]T16 stating the obvious again - cheers, i thought you said I was full of shit... good to see you have seen the light.
But both having a low-profile tyre hitting a pothole in a straight line is comparable - Like I said, the forces inside a WRC car (especially braking) are beyond most people's comprehension, unless they have experienced it from within a car, no matter what car you drive on the road.
https://wrc.net.pl/app/uploads/2019/...ight-final.pdf
report of weight check during Corsica, interesting reading...
Citroen boss Pierre Budar said: "The road for the test was not as wide and smooth as we had during the first section of the rally.
"We miss a bit of this kind of road in the test and this is part of the explanation."
"We couldn't fix the problem once we were in the rally because we have defined the set-up and we have some dampers according to this set-up.
"When you go to scrutineering before the event, they seal the dampers and we have five sets - including different [specification] dampers for Seb and Esapekka.
"If we had been running three cars, then we would have had seven sets of dampers and maybe this could have [given us more choice]."
Lappi's concern was the lack of speed from the Citroen when it arrived at roads similar to those tested on.
"The biggest difficulty has been missing the grip on the front," he said.
"We have understeer all the time.
"We changed a lot of things, but we can't get rid of the understeer with the options we have available on the event.
"We went backwards [from last year] and I don't know how.
"Friday was a problem with the road but on Saturday it was similar to the test [road] and still we couldn't find the speed."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...isca-struggles
Therein lie the basic problem with the Hyundai. The design that make the best use of Neuville's style works well on tight roads but does not work on fast open corners which is why it suffers on faster stages. Hyundai tried to change Paddon's style of driving to suit the car but all it did was reduce confidence. When they finally agreed to his requests for a different front differential it became easier for he and the other drivers to drive as was shown by their results during the last half of last season but these changes did not go far enough as in my opinion there still a suspension issue to be rectifiedQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
i don't remember him driving like that in the past. i always thought he had the same style like ogier and loeb, since he learned it the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbL-OWc6ZVk
Well that's what Mikkelsen said when they drove together in Monza 2017, that Neuville used to drive with same style on tarmac like him before (ref. your Fiesta vid), but nowadays drives with that "throw the car in and slide around".Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
The way it looks like now though is that they keep fine-tuning the setup but the basic principle of the car makes only this style somewhat work (but still Neuville isn't the fastest, this year he was basically 4th fastest (Evans, Tanak, Meeke) and that's even without Citroen in the mix).
The question is if the car can ever be fastest without big changes and if the big changes are not coming does that mean all other drivers have to try to adapt to this style?
Mikkelsen claims he is now trying, but we haven't seen him on tarmac this year (Monte doesn't really count with snow tires and dirty tarmac). I doubt it will work much for him though.
After seeing Loeb on tarmac will they try to make him change his style or be satisfied with signing a (probably expensive) 9 times champion which just won a tarmac rally and have him fight for 5-7th place on his best surface?
Under Nandan last year it looked they choose to ignore the problem cause Neuville and Sordo were somewhat competitive (4th-6th place in speed but often ending on podium due to others crashing/getting punctures), wonder if this approach will continue or not. As I wrote multiple times last year "ignoring" the tarmac issues as well as the issues in Finland makes it much harder for them to win any title.
Riviera best of rally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht4L6QFJKmQ
Best of Evans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY-jKhXzjwY
Best of Neuville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMcKOcijsJA
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Which bit you laughing at Dimviii?
"Hyundai's Neuville punctures Evans's WRC win dream in Corsica"
from what Tom wrote,as from the headline.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Did you know the reason of retirement for Bonato?
"Without a doubt the most beautiful asphalt rally in the world, the Tour de Corse is also a formidable event and hard to beat. However, we were well prepared with Benjamin, CHL Sport Auto, Citroen Racing and Michelin. It is therefore with the full of confidence that we presented ourselves at the beginning.
From the first stages, we started on a big pace, attacking the maximum. I was really comfortable with the C3 R5 and we could fully let go! In the evening, we enter the second place of the WRC2 and the tenth place overall after signing all of our times in the top 4 of the WRC2. On the team's turn to realize its performance at the last assistance by replacing the collector in record time.
The next day, the idea was to roll on the same pace to maintain pressure on the leader and we all knew that there would be multiple twists on this very long stage. But at no time did we expect to run out of fuel in the middle of a special stage ... It took us some time to believe it. Today, we do not yet know the reason and we will analyze everything so that it does not happen again.
We have not been rewarded for our attack on this race but we have to accept it. We had a good opportunity to take the lead in the World Championship, something that does not happen often in a career. It will soon have to move on, retaining the level of performance shown this weekend against the drivers and factory cars. And think about our next term, the Lyon Charbo in the French Championship. "
http://os50.mj.am/nl/os50/lynhs.html...bNLpcDw-q35VGi
Meeke and Marshall heaviest crew... almost 30kg heavier than Daniel Sordo and Del Barrio... I think a wheel and tyre is 20kg or so??!! That's bound to have an effect on performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Didn't think that.. but Marshall is a big frame and Meeke is average height... neither are carrying excess weight I'd say.
IIRC Seb Marshall is quite tall, but he's very slim. I don't think Meeke is particularly short though himself. I'm surprised there's that much difference though!
not action shots... driver have headsets on.
but nice landscapeQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
here some with more action
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/phot...19/bog_014.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/phot...19/bog_021.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/phot.../bog_81666.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/54464-corsi...orse-2019/305/
👍..
yeah, they were thinking that it was mistake by Total refueling crew, who refueled less than they asked for. Stewards Decision #5 from Corsica is about it, with some more details.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Officially confirmed by Tänak, that it was still the rim that caused the Toyota issues, not the tyre...that should conclude the discussion about more expensive runflats.