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Originally Posted by denkimi
a wild guess would be....Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
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I wouldn`t bet on it. Toyota still has the strongest lineup in terms of manuf. points...and they have several events that suit them the best, ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by satukata
But Citroen could get a stronger line up with three cars than with two...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
The way gravel behaves. The more cars pass, the deeper the ruts get. If 20 cars make small ruts, 120 cars make big ruts.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
But the deepness of course also depends on the condition of the road and the weather.
Hayden@Citroen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
That's just my wild guess :)
Paddon cannot offer anything to a manufacturer anymore... he had his chance and he choose to focus on social media rather than his job after his brief successQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcco
Have you ever been on Rally Mexico?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Also you need to remember that biggest ruts are made by modern WRC cars, other cars just made them little bit deeper, but WRC cars are making most of the damage.
Speaking of Paddon and social media, he still represents himself as a Hyundai WRC driver...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1ccAZ4X4AEgoga.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
All cars make damage. If they would have had more than 30 r5 cars like in monte, the road would have been a lot more destroyed. 100 more cars that each makes them a little bit deeper has more impact than those 10 wrc cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
I don't understand why you try to denie that. You can see it for yourself on every gravel rally.
But the Mexico roads still are one of the firmest and smoothest of the whole season. The cars don't make the kind of bumps like they do in Argentina and Sardegna, for example. But it's also true that we haven't really seen what 100 cars does to the Mexican roads. They drove some parts three times this year but still it was like 50-60 cars at most, less than the best rallies have on one run.
I've been few times on tests on Mexican roads, some were actual rally stages, some used in the past or roads next to stages. On most of them you can drive few days with few 4wd cars, 10 hours per day and road is not getting much worse, no ruts, etc.
2017 WRC cars are making much more damage to the roads comparing to 2016 cars, can't compare it to R5 even.
End of topic from me, this forum starts to be waste of time.
come on Bartek!Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
"Interesting" accident happened during the rally:
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/vi...rallye-mexiko/
crew thankfully OK, but after rolling they got stuck in the ditch upside down and can't go out from the car...
wow... thank god there was no fire....Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Matton and Mouton at same boat.
are they for real?
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https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...-mexico-issues
I can’t believe she said that? She didn’t even bother to drive through that stage and jump!!!! Meeke lifted after lappi but still the landing was bad.
Is she for real?
If you need to create jumps to make your stages interesting for spectators, you're doing it wrong. I like rally with proper stages, without artificial things like chicanes, anti-cutting stuff, roundabouts or fake jumps. Those artificial things have never done anything good to the sport (Bertelli-Finland-Kakaristo, Mikkelsen-tractor-Australia, countless chicane issues, etc.). Simply ban those things, if organizers can't find anything suitable without modifying the surroundings, move on to the next, there are enough candidates for organizing WRC events.
She is a complete, arrogant disgrace. I'm fucking furious reading her comments.
Dimviii, I'm not so sure they are in the same boat, as Matton says the jumps need too change, but Mouton is saying the drivers need to manage their speed and that the jump "is not ridiculous"... to me, they are saying slightly different things.
It always amazes me what key figures in this sport are so fondly attached to, what they'll go out of their way to defend, usually things that are detrimental to the integrity the sport... If only they cared as much for the legacy of this sport as they do their pathetic gimmicks.
The WRC gravy train would be far more lucrative for these figures if the sport was closer to what it was in the past, ironically, 'in their day', rather than the circus they're complicit in turning it into.
work of Matton Mouton is to secure these super stages which are full of spectators.
So they have to be 101% sure that a jump(or whatever) at these stages is safe.Same way as they check,and some times cancel proper stages due to safety reasons
At this rally we just learned that the ramp was wrong because of thinner metal sheet.
Could the drivers had known something like that before they jumped?
definetely NOT.
except from wrc drivers(who love flat out, and dont lift.....),at this jump passed and wrc2 drivers,or national drivers
if the thinner metal sheet had collapsed when a national driver passed,and the car with some 100km/h rolled over the croud?
So the''drivers have to lift'' is pure stupidity.
it was a wrong from organisers,and fia didnt checked it.
They canceled a stage in MC because the crowd is in dangerous place, but now on this stupid jump near the crowd on even more stupid super special it's the drivers have to be careful.
Seriously? WTF? Helllooooooo......
WRC Sideways - a new Video magazine from Redbull motorsport
Unlikely to appeal to hardcore fans but it is things like this that can help introduce new fans to the sport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6XY2koxQlw
horror showQuote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
Hope they improve it or bin it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Not my kind of show, but you’re totally right about this stuff being useful to attract younger publics. Btw, besides events previews and reports, apparently Chen is also making WRC vlogs. Well done Red Bull!Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
yes all this is nice and well but what quality of fans we want in the sport ? do we want all these trash low life plebs that drool over that nobodys with a teenager complex ghymkhana videos ? Sometimes its about quality rather than quantity...Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
whoever managed to got through the whole video should consider to stop watching rallying... i made it to 15 seconds and felt like i was eating 3 month old cheap restaurant garbage with a shovel...
I just quickly skipped through it, FIA/MotorsportUK no doubt delighted with this message... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6XY...outu.be&t=1123
Exactly the message you DON'T wan't to send to the kind of people who this show is intended for!
Various bit are unintentionally funny where the guy's just talking nonsense and Nabila shoots him down with common sense. For example, presenter lolz at Alberto Heller's boot being open, "this is the madness that could only happen in Mexico", Nabila flatly interrupts "I don't think it just happens in Mexico, it happens everywhere"... At least there's one sensible voice.
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Found that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT7AjyI3BEE , better thing to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
From what I've seen, WRC Promoter should use the main RedBullTV/Mike Chen shows as the format for pitching localised highlights to mainstream free to air broadcasters. The basic WRC highlight package elements of those shows could be produced to provide a framework, with the Mike Chen segments just being swapped out, with localised segments of similar length/content with a presenter specific to each country that takes it up being inserted. The faceless standard highlight package that has become increasingly the norm across the world since the ISC/North One era has contributed strongly to giving the sport a cheap and unimportant feel. Here in the UK, even on the low budget Channel 5, the standard highlight package stood out as an oddity in comparison to most popular/mainstream sport coverage.
Sadly I don't think WRC Promoter/RB are making enough effort to secure mainstream broadcasters. They could learn some lessons from Formula E, who have clearly recognised the importance of this. Maybe the WRC needs to wait until the Hybrid era now to be able to pitch the product afresh...
I mostly agree with you but I still feel we should take the positive side of this show (targeting younger audiences) and realize its part of a larger WRC social media promotion, which we all hope will continue to be developed and improved, not only by RB/MH but also by the manus involved in the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Btw, I’ve also looked on other platforms numbers and WRC (P5 on Facebook) is doing quite well on YouTube (P3) and Instagram (P4), while on Twitter is P7. Despite the mainstream media huge support, Formula E is only P8 on Facebook, P8 on Instagram and P9 on Twitter; they’re only better on YouTube (P4, behind WRC) thanks to their races live stream.
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Originally Posted by the sniper
Great post. WRC promoter has been asleep at the wheel for years. Just look at wrc.com; it's trash (and that colour scheme with the black and lurid green, good grief.) TV coverage is patchy and almost always on channels nobody watches, late at night. The TV content itself, like wrc.com, is trash. New promoter and/or new strategy is desperately needed to try and arrest the slide, but it feels like it's almost too late.
I am sorry to disagree, but this video is just embarrassingly awful; an absolute load of steaming horse shit. Compare with how it used to be done 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA8VHMmUeAo
A bit of late photo spam from Mexico (sorry guys!) First time over there for me. I combined the trip with a few tourist days in Guanajuato and then I went to the Sebring 12 Hours the following weekend.
Some thoughts if anyone is interested on the rally. We stayed in Leon about 20mins walk from the service park. Leon is kind of vast and I didn't really warm to the place. Guanajuato is pretty mind-blowing though and a beautiful place to spend a couple of days. Good information on the website. Stages not particularly signposted at all but that's not exactly uncommon the championship. Some stunning stages and views because you're so high up. I personally didn't really feel the altitude too much. The heat and lack of shade was pretty intense at times - especially for a Brit. To the point where I didn't really mind about the small entry as you could get back in the shade quicker. I'd heard reports you could do whatever you wanted on the Mexico stages. I didn't find that to be the case. There didn't seem to be many marshals about at all but plenty of police in spectator areas. Sometimes more than I think was needed. But I didn't have any real issues.
Very few foreign visitors which wasn't a surprise but I found the locals very kind. My mate was hospitalised (18 hours) with food poisoning and fever/dehydration on the second day of our trip which was kind of nuts. The food didn't agree with me particularly either but nothing that bad. Heard some of the teams had issues too. More delicate European stomachs maybe, I don't know.
The new El Brinco jump was pretty shit. Biggest disappointment of the rally for me. Obviously I can't compare atmospheres but it can't be anywhere near the same. You're just stood in a ploughed field looking at a big mound of dirt. Drivers didn't even push hard, certainly on the first run. I think having it on Friday or as the power stage would make it better from an action perspective.
Due to the format of the rally, repeated kms and it essentially being just three mountains, by the final day there was a bit of an issue of trying to find new places/access you hadn't already been. Which I've never encountered before. But it's undoubtedly a well organised event and the service park had the best atmosphere I've seen since Paviljonki in Finland. Probably all the Corona!
So to sum up I'm really glad I went. I wouldn't go back again, but honestly with the distance it would have to have been STUNNING to warrant a return trip. I've done a lot of events now so nice to tick this one off. If anyone is ever thinking of going I can provide more details.
Some photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/949985...57679440260418
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7883/...1a240407_c.jpg1 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/...032d8a49_c.jpg2 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7921/...f917703a_c.jpg5 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7861/...e7a731e1_c.jpg8 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7899/...be9db0a1_c.jpg4 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
Simmi
Where were the first and last photographs taken? Stage and possible kms?
some really nice hairpins in those photos... i am so jealous.
First one is Shakedown - 1.9km in. Straight up the hill from the water splash.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Last one is Alfaro on Sunday. 18.9km in. There's about a 45min gravel access road to the spectator car park.
I wonder if the fines were lifted? (From Motorsport News)
"Drivers fined for doing wha they were told"
"You’re right, it is Corsica week and you’re right toe xpect Didier Auriol, Sandro Munari or, at the very least, a Lancia Stratos to feature in the sentences which follow.
Come back next week for more of that.
For now, there’s something I’ve been meaning to discuss with you. A few of the more eagle-eyed among you might have noticed a few stewards’ decisions flying about on the final day of Rally Mexico. These decisions were focused on a breach of not just Article 20.1.3 of the WRC’s Sporting Regulations, but also Article 12.1.1.h of the FIA’s International Sporting Code. The decision left the drivers in question (most of the factory drivers) with a €3000 (£2566) fine.
The crime in question?
Before the start of the opening stage in Mexico, the drivers were presented with a relatively open area – an area they used to scrub gravel tyres to offer improved grip on the Tarmac streets of Guanajuato which lay before them.
The drivers were, we’re told, encouraged by some officials to ‘put on a bit of a show’ for the fans before the start of the stage and, if they wasted some rubber at the same, then so much the better.
Then the stewards got involved and took a dim view of this ‘dangerous driving’.
Is it just me that struggles with the irony of this one? Granted, there wasn’t a vast area for the drivers to make donuts, but it seems a bit harsh to penalise the crews for trying to improve the grip from their cars before sending them over one of the most dangerous and pointless artificial jumps in the sport’s recent history. A jump let’s not forget, which had gone unchecked by the FIA and was made of steel which bent and deformed after a handful of cars. And all of that in front of a pile of spectators who – and, admittedly, this might just have been the camera angle – looked quite close to the action.
Throwing stones out of a glass house is a dangerous business.
Enough of that.
To Llandudno. Finally, to Llandudno. I couldn’t agree more that we owe Deeside a debt of gratitude for getting Wales Rally GB out of Cardiff, but the move to the seaside town’s five years overdue. Llandudno’s a rally town and
has been for years. It hosts the Cambrian, which remains one of Britain’s best, and now, of course, it hosts Britain’s rally champion in Matt Edwards.
Cheltenham in 1999 was the last time our round of the World Rally Championship had arealrallytownfeeltoit.Cardiff’sRallyGBs were most serviced out of Swansea or Builth Wells apart from those latter-day disjointed efforts at keeping everything and everybody in the bay – only to have the field spread over numerous car parks so far apart separate in and out controls were needed for the same service.
No doubt Llandudno’s going to have to be spread over a couple of streets, but at least a sizeable population will be left in no doubt that the world’s best rally drivers are in town. And, come Sunday night, quite possibly in their local."