If you haven't watched Sunday's review yet prepare to laugh when you hear the sound effect on Sordo's crash, It's like watching a scene from Dukes Of Hazzard or something :rotflmao:
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If you haven't watched Sunday's review yet prepare to laugh when you hear the sound effect on Sordo's crash, It's like watching a scene from Dukes Of Hazzard or something :rotflmao:
How much time did TN loose when he had to reverse in the Power Stage? Any footage?
just watched it wrc+ onboard, maybe 4 max 5 sec
4-5s. There was footage but I forgot where I saw it. Probably from official wrc channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
Thanks guys!
I would say he was very lucky there. Almost would have hit a tree and could have damaged the radiator
Yes, its pretty ridiculous for people to say he's had a terrible 2018 when he has hardly been in the car. And don't forget that about half of his bad results in 2017 were from mechanical problems not driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grutz
I don't think Hyundai's treatment of Paddon and Sordo contracts will help them attracting other drivers if they are looking - drivers have seen that a 'full season contract' with Hyundai might mean you only get to drive half the season if they find someone else they want.
Note that they both had 2 rallies in 2017 in same car (and 1 when all 3 were there). Mikkelsen was fastest in all cases except Spain on tarmac part.
Anyway I agree the threatment was not very nice, but not unseen before in WRC. Also note that this whole thing was created by the VW pullout that suddenly left 3 of the top 6 drivers without a seat.
In this case why did they left the diff with Corsica settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Every team have their issues, no one is perfect. Hyundai have these driver rotating thing, Toyota is unreliable at the moment, M-Sport does everything only just for frenchie, others are there just to fill the spots, Citroen have bad reputation. So where will everyone go if all will look at these problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
"remain in same spec"Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Rallies are paired, you have to use same setup (diffs, gear-ratio etc.)
Diff settings are not a matter of turning a knob from "Corsica" to "Deutschland" or even from "tight" to "loose" or something. It requires changing parts, and that is not allowed.
Ok, that's clear now, but why TN was more competitive the following day? Got used to the Corsica diff, or something else? Did they repaired the broken one (is it allowed?).Sorry, but all these rules are confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Didn`t they replace the gearbox on Friday, and so had to also change the diffs because of ratios, but put the gearbox back on Saturday with suitable diff. ratios once again.
zeroundersteer video https://youtu.be/NzD6JfSVdEs
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Thierry, a second place behind Ott Tanak, 19 points, two better than Ogier, you're doing pretty well?
"Indeed, we had a difficult weekend, we struggled to find the right pace for a variety of reasons, we had a differential problem before Friday, and by the time the team checked it, we had to to give the one of Corsica that did not suit, I got a little misguided in my settings, maybe I also paid a little bit for my position of leader of the championship.I could not take all the risks, too cut the ropes But in the end, the result is quite satisfactory. "
At one point you ended up fifth. But you did not get angry, you did not force or commit any fault to go up.
"It's what's called managing a championship, I can not afford to be abandoned, so I stayed calm, I kept a smart approach, which was not the case with Sébastien. Ogier, frustrated at being behind his former team-mate Tanak, took big risks in Panzerplatte and hit a 250-kg rock in a rope, which resulted in his puncture, ultimately losing more than he could have won. "
How do you explain that suddenly you were able to sign the scratch Sunday morning?
"We did a good job on Saturday night, I put the same rear shock settings as Dani Sordo, softened and gave more confidence and traction when braking in the dirt."
You were hoping to score more than one point in the Power Stage?
"Yes, but I was too optimistic and I missed a crossroad at the start of the stage, I had to go into reverse, I lost a handful of seconds and some important units."
Next step, Turkey, a new rally where you will be handicapped by your position of opener ...
"That may be the case until the end of the year, we will try to manage that at best.There will be a lot of sweeping apparently, but on the other hand, it looks very brittle. which is pretty good for the Hyundai. "
23 points ahead, it starts counting.
"It's better to have them in advance, but we have seen this weekend as it can change quickly.If I give in Turkey and Ogier wins, I'll be 2nd in the championship. It will be necessary to continue to roll with his head until Australia to be champion.
http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/w...324d3f140a4d82
Not sure if this was mentioned already, apparantly Tanak ran with 30/70 middle diff mapping. To be honest I find it hard to believe, such a big difference, car must be hard to control. What are the technical guys here on the forum thinking about this?
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...ak-so-schnell/
mapping cant be 30/70 or 50/50.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
electronic center diffs distribute the power/torque continiously depenting at which point of corner is the car
the 50/50 or 30/70 distribution is from gears,and not mapping
that can change only with different gears
Of course from mapping you can transform the behaviour of the car,but that is something different
probably the author something didnt understand or lost in translation
The term used is Kraftverteilung, literally translated force distribution.
I tried to find the original article on Motorsport aktuell but no luck
It looks like the author(s) mixed it up a little bit.
In "Motorsport aktuell" and in "Rallye Magazin" (quoting Motorsport aktuell) it says Tänak had "70 Prozent Kraft auf der Hinterachse" meaning "70 per cent of power on the rear axle" with reference to the centre diff (without going into detail whether electronically or mechanically achieved).
Any engineer here who can shed some light on how it really works in a 2017 car?
As dimviii pointed, the basic torque split is determined by the gearing and this basic torque split is only applicable when the hydraulic (or another) lock is not applied. Once lock is applied, torque can flow in different proportion, being determined by the amount of diff lock and grip/resistence at each axle.
But to return to the original question, I can believe that Tanak used 30/70 mechanical split on this tarmac rally, providing more of a "classic" race car handling.
thanks for the answers, very interesting.
Nick this is a lot complex to change,needs new homologated gears,and its something that will change drastically the whle car behaviour.Do we know if toyota has homologated new center diff gears?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
If not,Tanak just used a more rear based maps at center diff.
Sorry dimviii, I should have clarified that when saying I can believe he used the 30/70 split, I was referring to the actual race car physics, but you are a lot more knowledgeable about the homologation and logistical matters, that could have prevented runninf it.
In Rally Germany the increased driveability of the engine has a strong influence on the performance, the team and the drivers were very happy with the upgrades. Tanak chose a different torque split to the other drivers.
In tarmac configuration the drivers have a choice in the two homologation torque splits, with 50% or 72% to the rear, as selected by driver preference and expected road conditions, Ott selecting the 72% option.
https://rallysportmag.com/wrc-preview-rally-turkey/
Neuville didnt cut the corner at all this year where he lost the wheel last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBf_YLNUFDk
The upright broke, i don't think we have seen that happen once this year? Hyundai retired 5-6 times with it last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC