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Camilli will be on Raux dust probably
But it is not, it is just a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So after second leg Kopecký 0,9 seconds ahead of Camilli. Nice fight!
Sorry, couldn't resist :p but I think that's enough of those jokes for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
For the record, I was happy to see Andreas back, and I wasn't expecting a top result. Still a disappointment after all the hype.
EDIT: Another point - if Citroen offers Mikkelsen more drives, does he even want them anymore in that problematic car?
Although Camilli is not running for WRC2 points so Kopecky ignores his resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Theoretically, but I don't think he does. Kopecký doesn't do whole WRC2 and for him it's about individual events not about championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
This is nothing new. Whinish yes, but drivers before this season have complained in same circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Yes they do. Latvala is fighting for the win as much as Neuville was in Portugal. They're still wrong decisions though and Neuville won't be justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Interesting to read new in-car stage end comments from Mikkelsen
Stop it Neuville. EmbarrassingQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Pathetic. Grow up, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
hahahaha I thought one of you guys faked it.
Has he really only the mental capacity of a 4 year old? I didnt know thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Well was a bit retarded reaction from me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Anyway to the last point, I was thinking about exactly the same thing.
After today I think we can conclude that Citroen indeed is a problematic car.
As late as after Portugal I was arguing how car is just fine and only Meeke is a problem, based on Breen's performance.
Now I agree car has issues, based on Breen's and Mikkelsen's performance.
Mikkelsen's progress was very limited and the comments and reactions not good (not talking about the comments for media with happy face on).
Breen was 1s away from winning a stage only to complain about undriveable car on next and loosing 1 min on the last (even without a spin that's really slow).
So car is difficult to setup and/or has a very narrow "sweetspot".
This still does not change my opinion about Meeke crashing. Retiring after 3 stages in consecutive rallies clearly doesn't help in car setup and development and yes you can try driving a bit safer. And no Mikkelsen didn't suddenly forgot how to drive after winning his last WRC round beating Ogier and Latvala in same car in straight fight.
The two questions:
1. If Citroen offered Mikkelsen contract for whole next year+, should/would he accept?
Based on this event so far the clear answer is no. He can risk getting stuck in twitchy car, then without a seat if Citroen pulls out, with people doubting his speed (after multiple rallies with bad car). Atkinson comes to mind.
I don't remember how the contracts are but even now there are at least 2 seats in other teams that are not so safe.
Hanninen - clearly slower than Lappi (not to mention Latvala), crashing.
Paddon -being in one of the two best if not the the best car and only having one 5th place after 7 rallies.
I don't see any other driver ready to step in that is clearly faster driver than these two. Sunninen probably is the nearest with potential, but he was decimated by Mikkelsen in the WRC2 rounds this year.
2. If Citroen offers him more rallies this year without further commitment should he accept?
This one is more difficult. You could say that sitting at home for a rally is worse than driving it...
I'd say yes but with one or both of these conditions:
- it would have to be a rally where C3 is likely to be fast and Mikkelsen is known to perform good in (so Poland, Germany, Spain, maybe Finland)
- proper test for setting up the car will be included
If none of these two is satisfied then I'd say no.
Maybe it is still slightly too early to slag Citroen off. It is Mikkelsens first rally in it let's not forget. Maybe over the course of three events with intesive testing he could get it more to his liking - maybe not.
If the C3 really turns out to be a dog though I wonder if Lefebvre is by far not as bad as he looked as well.
Mikkelsen definitely needs more time in the car. Swap duty with Meeke for Poland perhaps? Meeke deffo needs a reset, he hasn't done well in Poland in the past and his championship is over anyway. Mikkelsen on the other hand knows Poland well, give him some decent testing and a decent enough result might be on the table.
I would agree with that, if it wasn't for Breen's performance on SS 13-14-15 and his comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Well Breen certainly isn't a bad driver, and even he struggles this rally with right setup, presuming he has near as much test kms as Meeke. Citroen has 2 major problems, the car, and the leading driver.
Seriously, is Neuville trying to wrestle the whiner's award away from Ogier?WTF is that?"Oh, I fell into someone's dust.Give me time." " Oh, my brakes had a problem, otherwise I win." and the worst of it "My team mates are useless, I am a God for winning". 2015 isn't that far away, Thierry...
Oh the car is definitely pretty crap I mean it more in a 'is it that crap that it would justify Mikkelsen to turn down any more drives this year or a contract for next year' way.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Does anyone know by what time we would know if Latvala gets time back or not?
Hello guys. Too tired to write something about the rally. Will do it tomorrow maybe. But I think this has been the best I've ever seen. The new cars on gravel are amazing! You should go see them if you haven't yet!
So sad for Paddon, really. But I am also happy to see Tanak leading, will not say more because this time I don't want to jinx anyone! :D
Depends on stewards. It can be anytime until the posting of final official results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
In the Citroën live tonight Mikkelsen said the car was more setup for Meeke's driving style with more left fot braking in the corners and that they couldn't change what they needed during the rally.
That's probably pointing to mapping of center differential.
I doubt it. There is no clear one sector difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Looking at the splits he was 0.3 behind Tanak and some 10s back in the end. So 10s might be the max. Problem is that Paddon at that point was 2.7 ahead of him and in the finish 3.8 ahead. So what are they supposed to do only use Tanak? Who guarantees that he would have kept same pace as Tanak and not same pace as Paddon f.e.?
I watched the replay. Yes he had to back off quite a few places, but the visibility for him was changing all the time, so how would they judge that. Count 0.3s here for lifting off, 0.2 there etc?
The end of the stage is funny. He is so angry he almost runs down the stop-post. Also I heard just about all the Finnish words I know there *Vittu etc :P
they can change center diff mapping at service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, but if Mikkelsen's driving style is a lot different then they might not be able to do that without testing.
Did you see that on WRC+? I've never heard Latvala curse!Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Probably, but Mikkel need more testing km, to test several centerdiff options.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
This is more or less same scenario as Ogier coming to Ford, centerdiff did nor suite him at all, but now it is ok.
Paddon also lost time in Neuville's dust, I don't understand Your point. Latvalla progressively was losing time against Tanak.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yes, dunno which of them says it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Ostberg clearly held him up. He went from being just two tenths behind to losing five seconds between splits.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Oh, that could be. All I've ever heard Latvala say in the face of adversity was "ei voi ella totta" (I think it's spelled that way)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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cant wait for the power stage,short one 6,96km,and plenty of crews that they want extra points.
For me it is stupidity to give notional times for this issues. It is just part of rally...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight