Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

I guess a huge boost to WRC but yes he will be missed in F1.
Here's wishing him luck in his rallying and a comeback to F1 in 2011? although I think if he likes it he will stick to it.

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Originally Posted by Julle69

So, now it's confirmed - Kimi moves to Citroen. What a sad day for formula 1.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80431

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Not a sad day at all. The cockpit of his new rally car has more than enough space for him to fit his drink holder, something he couldnt do with his F1 car.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

There are two people whose work I don't envy at all, the person who in in charge of MTV3 Max channel package sales and the one who is in charge of Santanders Finnish operations. :D

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True. Here's a funny thought: Finland is a net payer to the Eu, we pay more than we get, while Spain is one of the biggest net gainers, (they get more than they pay) since it's a relatively poor country by Eu standards. So some of our tax money goes to Spain and it seems a Spanish bank has decided to give some of the money back to us for free, sadly they only give it to one Finn. :)

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Not a sad day at all. The cockpit of his new rally car has more than enough space for him to fit his drink holder, something he couldnt do with his F1 car.

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Again, would you please stop now, those stereotypes you constantly put out are a bit tiresome.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Not a sad day at all. The cockpit of his new rally car has more than enough space for him to fit his drink holder, something he couldnt do with his F1 car.

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Again, would you please stop now, those stereotypes you constantly put out are a bit tiresome.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Not a sad day at all. The cockpit of his new rally car has more than enough space for him to fit his drink holder, something he couldnt do with his F1 car.

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Very very funny...not !

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Originally Posted by janneppi

There are two people whose work I don't envy at all, the person who in in charge of MTV3 Max channel package sales and the one who is in charge of Santanders Finnish operations. :D

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Lol, same here, a brilliant contract really, money for nothing...... like in the song, + from driving rally some more too, and after 1 year back in business.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Not a sad day at all. The cockpit of his new rally car has more than enough space for him to fit his drink holder, something he couldnt do with his F1 car.

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Your drinking quips are even more idiotic than when you claimed Kimi was a carbreaker.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Your drinking quips are even more idiotic than when you claimed Kimi was a carbreaker.

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Thank you for the compliment!

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Originally Posted by pino

Very very funny...not !

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And I thought you had a sense of humour, pino :(

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Not a sad day at all. The cockpit of his new rally car has more than enough space for him to fit his drink holder, something he couldnt do with his F1 car.

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That's become too insulting IMO. Very low quality!
Back on topic, I am sad to see Kimi leaving F1, but I wish him all the best in the WRC! I'd love if in a few years he manages to become a title contender there.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

That's become too insulting IMO. Very low quality!

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I havent insulted anyone!!!

I don't like stereotypes and I don't know how can you say that one of the best drivers is a drunkard. To me this is like what Spanish fans did to Lewis. Not that bad, of course, but the same manner.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I don't like stereotypes and I don't know how can you say that one of the best drivers is a drunkard. To me this is like what Spanish fans did to Lewis. Not that bad, of course, but the same manner.

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Now I wouldnt judge 555 so quickly. Im sure he has valid reasons for his behaviour. Maybe this is his only fun? Maybe he was abused as a child? Maybe his boy friend has been acting weird for a long time? Maybe his mom was really an alcoholic, who knows.

I wish you all the best, 555. Hang in there, buddy.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Thank you for the compliment!

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No wuccas ;)

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I don't like stereotypes and I don't know how can you say that one of the best drivers is a drunkard. To me this is like what Spanish fans did to Lewis. Not that bad, of course, but the same manner.

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Its not a stereotype. Go to Youtube and there are several videos showing him drunk and in one video, falling over his own feet.

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Now I wouldnt judge 555 so quickly. Im sure he has valid reasons for his behaviour. Maybe this is his only fun? Maybe he was abused as a child? Maybe his boy friend has been acting weird for a long time? Maybe his mom was really an alcoholic, who knows.

I wish you all the best, 555. Hang in there, buddy.

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:?: WTF :?:

This and the Button threads go round and round and round all the time with no evident conclusions. I'm not even sure, why are the debates here and there lasting so endlessly - what is there to prove? World Champions are champions and were obviously good enough to put together a consistent enough season to win it, even though neither title was won in a "convincing way", but this isn't important about the fact of being a WDC anyway. In contrast it can be mentioned that the opposite pro-argument like the titles make them automatically "better drivers" than non-WDC's (Massa, Vettel, etc) is seriously flawed.

I would like to clarify a few aspects though. One argument here was that "Kimi never criticized his team and that is good". I would say contrary - in case something is wrong, one should open his mouth and tell, what is going on. Of course such driver would possibly be called a whiner, etc. Sometimes it looks like almost all drivers are accused of being whiners. :p : But if that's the case, "whining" is a normal part of a human being and we are all of that as well. :D Anyway, if someone gets a bad treatment or something else is unpleasant, the right attitude would be to open mouth and try to improve things instead of silently settling with them. If for some that is whining, then let it be so.

Also - often an argument of "suiting a driver's style" is used and besides this the phrase "favouring" is used. In my opinion such theories are incorrect. Adaptability is one of the most important traits of a driver, because an F1 car is in constant change - often new improvements and parts appear on the car, which keep influencing car's handling and behaviour. A driver should be capable of adapting to all of these changes. Designers come up with innovations that supposedly should make the car faster as much as possible. "Driver's style" has secondary importance, especially if this way doesn't improve car's overall performance.

Thirdly I'm a bit puzzled with all this "team motivating" stuff. I can read phrases like "should motivate the team" too often. IMO a top designer should be capable of motivating himself. If a designer can't concentrate on work without drivers pampering them all the time, he is not a top designer. I suspect the word "motivate" is misused here anyway. A driver ought to work with engineers for hours after practice to try to find the most efficient setup, but such activity isn't really what you would call "motivating" - just part of the overall job.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Its not a stereotype. Go to Youtube and there are several videos showing him drunk and in one video, falling over his own feet.

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Everybody has fun from time to time. But in F1 he was sober enough to win the WDC.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Its not a stereotype. Go to Youtube and there are several videos showing him drunk and in one video, falling over his own feet.

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hey,no fair...i thought you were a fan of Kimi :(

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

And I thought you had a sense of humour, pino :(

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Sorry but I am tired of reading posts saying how much Kimi drinks, and bla bla bla...

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Originally Posted by jens

I would like to clarify a few aspects though. One argument here was that "Kimi never criticized his team and that is good". I would say contrary - in case something is wrong, one should open his mouth and tell, what is going on. Of course such driver would possibly be called a whiner, etc. Sometimes it looks like almost all drivers are accused of being whiners. :p : But if that's the case, "whining" is a normal part of a human being and we are all of that as well. :D Anyway, if someone gets a bad treatment or something else is unpleasant, the right attitude would be to open mouth and try to improve things instead of silently settling with them. If for some that is whining, then let it be so.

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Hard to say if he have or not, i think its likely he has critisized, but its a little different if you critisize to those who actually can do something about it, or to the media.

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Hard to say if he have or not, i think its likely he has critisized, but its a little different if you critisize to those who actually can do something about it, or to the media.

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True that. IIRC it was Schumacher, who said that all kinds of critical issues were kept inside the team.

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Originally Posted by veeten

Looks a little like Hakkinen in his last year with McLaren. Sad...

Hey Jefe, where you been? :D

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Hey V10, I've been around... ;)

As for the Hakk comparison, I think he just lost any fight when McLaren failed to deliver a competitive car - something which became painfully obvious even after just two races. He still won 2 races though, and should've won in Barcelona.

Kimi just looked plain uninterested.

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Originally Posted by jens

I would like to clarify a few aspects though. One argument here was that "Kimi never criticized his team and that is good". I would say contrary - in case something is wrong, one should open his mouth and tell, what is going on. Of course such driver would possibly be called a whiner, etc. Sometimes it looks like almost all drivers are accused of being whiners. :p : But if that's the case, "whining" is a normal part of a human being and we are all of that as well. :D Anyway, if someone gets a bad treatment or something else is unpleasant, the right attitude would be to open mouth and try to improve things instead of silently settling with them. If for some that is whining, then let it be so.

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I was the one using that phrase and what I meant was that after it became known that they wanted to get rid of him no matter what, he still didn't criticise them. How many of us could keep quiet after finding out that the team you won the championship with stabbed you in the back cause you had an average half a season and a Spanish bank was willing to pay to get rid of you?

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Originally Posted by Jefe Máximo

Kimi just looked plain uninterested.

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Plain uninterested drivers don't win races at Spa with a car that what a mediocre at best. Boy you guys have a short memory. Edit: But anyway, he's gone and I don't think he will ever be back so perhaps Kimi should be transferred to Rallying forum.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

How many of us could keep quiet after finding out that the team you won the championship with stabbed you in the back cause you had an average half a season and a Spanish bank was willing to pay to get rid of you?

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Pathetic.

If Kimi had pulled his weight, he would still be there.

He didn't and he isn't.

But he is in the WRC, also a great series and major challenge. That's admirable. IMO if there is one series equal to F1, it is the WRC, although /or because/ it is totally different.

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Originally Posted by henners88

So this view that Kimi was lackluster and displayed no motivation, is it based on the 5 poor races in the 2008 season or last season too?

Kimi has been rated among the best drivers of the 2009 season, given the poor machinery in which he achieved 5 podiums including a win.

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Paid 1million €/$ or whatever it was - way more than Massa.

hyped to the nth degree that he would/should beat Massa and yet Massa destroyed him last year.

Performing at his absolute best inconsistently - I think the likes of Tamburello and even Kimi fans for that matter have every right to feel at least dissappointed.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Paid 1million €/$ or whatever it was - way more than Massa.

hyped to the nth degree that he would/should beat Massa and yet Massa destroyed him last year.

Performing at his absolute best inconsistently - I think the likes of Tamburello and even Kimi fans for that matter have every right to feel at least dissappointed.

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Have to agree.
If Kimi would have done better than Ferrari would have kept him.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Plain uninterested drivers don't win races at Spa with a car that what a mediocre at best. Boy you guys have a short memory. Edit: But anyway, he's gone and I don't think he will ever be back so perhaps Kimi should be transferred to Rallying forum.

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Yeah, what a shame that he didn't show that spark of interest the rest of the year then. Would have been a lot more fun watching him rule that mediocre car, like he used to in those POS McLaren of his early years.

What a clowns! Kimi won for Ferrari 1 WDC and 2 WCC and still no respect for him or his talents! Pitiful! Some Ferrari fans... This is the top tier of motorsport, anyone who wins a championship in F1 is truly a magnificent racer without no doubt!! So, Ferrari paid him a hefty amount of money, he delivered and won WDC...he got sacked because of Spanish bank, still no bad words from him..not even one!! Have a respect for a great champion. He might even come back after one year, who knows... or he might try to make a history and be the first F1 and Rally WDC champion. He always was and is his own man, nothing fake, you have to respect that, its very rare!

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

What a clowns! Kimi won for Ferrari 1 WDC and 2 WCC and still no respect for him or his talents! Pitiful! Some Ferrari fans... This is the top tier of motorsport, anyone who wins a championship in F1 is truly a magnificent racer without no doubt!! So, Ferrari paid him a hefty amount of money, he delivered and won WDC...he got sacked because of Spanish bank, still no bad words from him..not even one!! Have a respect for a great champion. He might even come back after one year, who knows... or he might try to make a history and be the first F1 and Rally WDC champion. He always was and is his own man, nothing fake, you have to respect that, its very rare!

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He certainly is a great driver, but you could stop moaning about other people's opinion.

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Originally Posted by ioan

He certainly is a great driver, but you could stop moaning about other people's opinion.

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Like you stopped moaning when peple criticized MS? Sometimes its just so ridiculous that one has to comment something...

But dont worry, this was my last statement about this subject..unless Kimi comes back to F1.

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

What a clowns! Kimi won for Ferrari 1 WDC and 2 WCC and still no respect for him or his talents!

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Are you surprised? That's what we get recently - Kimi is lazy and boring, Jenson is slow, Fernando is a crybaby, Lewis is a liar. These are champions, so let's bash them and praise non-champions instead... Ridiculous, but that's the way forums are.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Have to agree.
If Kimi would have done better than Ferrari would have kept him.

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You think Ferrari would have sacked Felipe instead? I seriously doubt that. Santander dictated Kimis departure, period. And Ferrari wanted the Spanish money.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Are you surprised? That's what we get recently - Kimi is lazy and boring, Jenson is slow, Fernando is a crybaby, Lewis is a liar. These are champions, so let's bash them and praise non-champions instead... Ridiculous, but that's the way forums are.

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There are a lot of negatives comments everywhere, that's true. Goes to show you that no matter what you do, some people don't like it or even despise you.

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

You think Ferrari would have sacked Felipe instead? I seriously doubt that. Santander dictated Kimis departure, period. And Ferrari wanted the Spanish money.

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Yes - without any hesitation it's Santanders money behind Kimis move.
Ferrari gets a Santander money, Kimi and Alonso too and its says that Santander will start app. 500 bank filial in Brazil...

Money money

However it will be very interesting see Kimi as a WRC driver..

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

But same time Schumacher hade very good relation to Felipe and liked to see him as champion – and his good relation to the team made that Felipe become in reality as a first driver in the team - with help with his “Big brother” Schumi as advisor.
So Felipe hade his chance both 2007 and 2008, 2007 he was unlucky and the team decided to go for Kimi in a situation there it in reality was very difficult (almost impossible) to win the title anymore. But despite that Kimi become the World Champion 2007 after a super driving and whole team behind him.. even Felipe helped him in that ..

Also 2008 the car was fitted to Felipe and it was only because Kimis all-round talent which made it more equal for them – Kimi hade a “Ruben’s job” – to help Felipe to get the title.. and he did it .. 2009 the same Felipe was the first driver, but the construction of the car was not good enough to win the title – but even 2009 it was clearly show able that after Felipes accident the team gave Kimi full support and the results were much better .. in that car I would say SUPER .. Fisi understood it in fully first when was driving it..

Now Ferrari get “Santander money” to pay out their latest champion from F1 – but after al I’m not that much surprised that Kimi let them do it .. He has his title (despite he wasn’t the first driver) and to work in the team which doesn’t want him .. 17 million dollar is much money … to do NOT WORK.. and Kimi can always do something other.. Rally is one possibility..

Bur for me, newer more Ferrari ..
- I have seen too much.. All b*** s*** , whoi can forget what they did against Rubens, when Schumacher used even his talent to win his WDC-titles. Austria 2002 did show to every one it clearly – when Rubens was forced to give away his win to Michael Schumacher - i will never forget when Schumi explained after the race how “important” it was for the team that “he will win!!” – and he did it in a situation there he was leading the championship having 144 points against Rubens 77 and Rubens was on second place..

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This is my last one to this thread -

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80553
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The team president (Luca di Montezemolo ) also paid tribute to former driver Kimi Raikkonen, who lost his seat to Alonso and is switching to the World Rally Championship.

"I'm sorry he's not here today," said Montezemolo. (Sure?)

"All the same, I wish to thank him on behalf of all of us for what he achieved in his three years with Ferrari.

"He staked his place in our history by winning the title in his first season, which was partly thanks to help from Felipe, to whom he repaid the compliment the following year.
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It looks more and more that Kimi made a big mistake when helping Massa 2008, because people where saying that he was making a bad job.. and because it ended that he was fired from his job.. ok .. Ferrari paid him 17 million euro Santander money and Kimi went to Rally to 2010 (and is probably back next year) – but it was a treachery from Ferrari … (However nice to hear it from Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo it himself) ..

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

but it was a treachery from Ferrari

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If that's so, it was also treacherous of Raikkonen to be taking money under false pretences, since Ferrari clearly thought they were employing a racing driver.

Kimi, it turns out, wasn't bothered about racing.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Yep, Kimi is better off out of there.

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The only accurate part of your post is that he is better off.