Israel refuses peace negotiations

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Originally Posted by Woodeye

Sorry, I forgot about that, I apologize. And especially the evil Swedes who have been in war against someone last time in the 14th century (and used Finns for it then) should all be sunk to prevent them destroying the fake-plastic-based-on-religous-nonsense-stories-country of Israel.

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Well those Swedes are feared the world over. Heck, I know people who liked ABBA just so they wouldn't get angry and go on a murderous rampage......

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Originally Posted by Woodeye

I've tried to stay out of politics as much as possible here. But what the israeli have done now, that's just beyond any justifications. There were for example 12 Swedes on board on those ships. If they see themselves being in war, ok then that's their view. But even in war you usually don't attack for example red cross. And this is exactly what they've done here. Ok, it wasn't a red cross ship, but the purpose was the same - to help people in need.

If for once the US could say that this was wrong I'd be happy. But no way that's going to happen.

This is so ugly that it makes me puke.

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Have you watched the video of the "peace activists" trying to attack the soldier and take his rifle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm)?
What would you do if your gun was taken?

BTW two pistols which had their entire clips femptied at soldiers were found on dead bodies.

They prepared in advance to fight the soldiers and anyone in his right mind would have defended his life against a massive lynching attemp. There is no problem with aid coming to Gaza, hundreds of tons pass daily through land. The organizers were offered to come to Ashdod and unload the supplies over there in order to take them by truck to Gaza. They refused because they wanted shots of violence on the boats taken. Israel has a right to prevent weapons coming into Gaza.

It makes me puke that provocations like this paint Israel as the bad guy when it was all orchestrated by those on the boats in advance. They came looking for blood and they found it.

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Originally Posted by Rani

Have you watched the video of the "peace activists" trying to attack the soldier and take his rifle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm)?
What would you do if your gun was taken?

BTW two pistols which had their entire clips femptied at soldiers were found on dead bodies.

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What the hell were they doing on the ship? It was in international waters these soldiers had no right to be on that ship.

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Originally Posted by Rani

Have you watched the video of the "peace activists" trying to attack the soldier and take his rifle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm)?
What would you do if your gun was taken?

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Israel had absolutely no right to get onto the ship in the first place!

You could argue that the ship's inhabitants reacted badly, but you have to question why Israeli forces felt the need to storm the ship in the first place. If it was, as they claim, to escort the ship to dock then I can't help thinking there were better ways of going about it.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Internet forums aren't "normal" civil societies.

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So you are basically saying racist comments against jews are ok in internet forums?

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Originally Posted by Rani

So you are basically saying racist comments against jews are ok in internet forums?

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No, I'm saying racist comments against Arabs and Muslims happen on internet forums.

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Originally Posted by Woodeye

Israel had absolutely no right to get onto the ship in the first place!

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

What the hell were they doing on the ship? It was in international waters these soldiers had no right to be on that ship.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

You could argue that the ship's inhabitants reacted badly, but you have to question why Israeli forces felt the need to storm the ship in the first place. If it was, as they claim, to escort the ship to dock then I can't help thinking there were better ways of going about it.

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If someone storms your ship in international waters I'm fairly sure you've got every right to defend yourself.

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Originally Posted by Rani

Have you watched the video of the "peace activists" trying to attack the soldier and take his rifle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10195838.stm)?
What would you do if your gun was taken?

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Depends on who takes it. You can't assume that peace activists use it against you, they just take it so you can't use it against them.

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Originally Posted by Rani

BTW two pistols which had their entire clips femptied at soldiers were found on dead bodies.

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How many soldiers died or wounded?

Most likely Israeli military pistols emptied by Israeli soldiers.

Anyway, it happened on International waters, so the Israelis had no right to enter the ship.