The new FIA WRC-car concept 2017

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

The promotors dont tell "The Story", the cars are not "Story-worthy", and there are very few "Storytelling" profiles in the sport. (I hope by God that we dont loose Kris Meeke).

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It's pretty obvious there's a lack of "rally culture" on promoters field, but what's really disappointing is to see high rank FIA representatives like Todt and Mouton, with illustrious rally past, being incapable to reform WRC.

Worse, it was in their watch that Eurosport was discarded to promote WRC and, probably due to VW pressure, RedBull/MediaHouse got the job.

Ok, without VW probably Hyundai, and certainly Toyota, wouldn't follow, but letting a player decide the sport's future will never be the best option, especially when that sport has such a rich and outstanding history.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Then somebody saw the money one English megalomaniac was making by securing the world wide media rights---and decided he could do the same....."package it for TV" when he just happened to have secured the world wide "media rights"

And its been further and further and further away from the mass appeal since..
What was his name? :rolleyes: Oh! Rave Dichards or sumpin? Once co-drove with a great man I think..

Central to almost all rally's at all levels problems I believe is one thing: TV.
It is the problem.
Even the tiny little 16 car rallys we have here in poor little America are full of guys in Blue Subarus all pontificating on the NECESSITY of TV coverage for their rally "career'....
It is imagine to be the cure--TV's implicit endless money---for everything.

And all the twitter and the dreadful Facebook crap is just a version of the same basic same thing as TV: it is a PASSIVE and "effortless" thing....

And that is what TV wants: passive consumers who evidently will leap up and run out and buy stupid baseball hats with Red Boule and grab "energy drinks" to sustain them long enough for the grueling 15 minute ride to the car dealer to buy a new shiny something that they just saw some weird thing with the same badge doing amazing things on the TV...

And perhaps they're right those that advocate the full 100% passive consumer vision of what rally "means" and if you believe that the consumers can only be "bought" by watching 4-6 guys in half million dollar cars, then a lot of money must come from somewhere...

But it isn't working---just like in USA, a country of 315 million people, the promote the hell out of 1-2 guys ---neither of which could win a Regional event in Sweden, much less a F-cup event in Finland---has failed to draw any interest ---and entries and events continue to fall off a cliff.

Folk har slarvat bort tänken på grunden i jakt efter pengar.

Grunden, or foundation or the base whatever.. That either gone or ignored...


Maybe we are all just supposed to be brainless couch-tomatoes (as my little girls say) and have pavlovian knee jerks responses to whatever is streamed to us and explained to us "this is exciting".

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That explains why Indiana Jones 500 gather so many people watching boring cars going round in circles for half a day? Necessary TV procuction I mean?

How to move on do you think John? Seriously.
(jag sitter på jobbet - nattskift)

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

That explains why Indiana Jones 500 gather so many people watching boring cars going round in circles for half a day? Necessary TV procuction I mean?

How to move on do you think John? Seriously.
(jag sitter på jobbet - nattskift)

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Stackarn, jobba skift! Usch.

Seriously? come on I can't take it too serious and my major worry is just like I said; grunden, breddan, US (oss inte os)...And the problem is is that everything happens within a context in this case a worldwide social context..We we look at the biggest trends in the world since you and I were snorr-ungar, a couple of things jump out: Globalisation of EVERYTHING!!!!!! (jag menar titta bara här, rally-dårar från hela världen t.om även Norrmän!!---who would have dreamed that? )

and the other is the ever more concentration of everything to one end.....the widening of incomes within countries, between the generally affluent North and the less affluent South and the crushing poverty around the equator.....in other words the triumph of a winner take all marketplace..
You mentioned Iniana Jones 500...better example is NASCAR...how it got a formula in the late 70s and via repetition and promotion got rolling and more or less sucked up the overwhelming majority of corporate sponsorship dollars available in USA.
They get billions and millions of speccies. TV
We get 14 car entries to District rallies.

Football: the highest paid employee of many MANY of our States (delstater) here are football coaches at State Universities...These geezers can get 5-6 million dollars-year.
Get a bucket (i fall du mår illa o måste spy) and look here:
http://sports.newsday.com/long-islan...ches-salaries/
TV

Uber Tax: thousands of small taxi operators all accross the world gone and hundreds of thousands of people making poo.....and one guy in Silicon Valley making millionsÖ
Ersatz TV or Smart phone...

Wall Street: Billions made just doing trades. win, lose, draw, still make millions on volume of trades.

So considering the power of TV aka money and the control of it often by ''investors managers'''
How can anything change voluntarily?

Now I have been waving the Röda Fanan for decades (not really but I love the optimism and belief in a better future and love the songs!) but thatäs not going to change conservative money people to re+shape the sport into a sport. Its a ''commodity''....shares are sold on future earings right down to Finnish boys furture earnings as we see over there..you know who..

Thatäs why whgile i may look and watch some of what goes on in WRC---mostly gravel, my only real interest anymore is gräs röttern....Trying to introduce something like F+cup level and quality or GruppH...eller va fan det kallas nu.... introduce it and nurture it in USA and Canada so at least a few guys will be able to make some memories of doing rally............

instead of being mere consumers of some shitty packaged crap.
Jobba försiktik, måste ute o cyckla med frun!

Cykla me frun. Kanske man skulle göra det i morgon - jag menar idag.

Maybe they should kind of start all over again with GrA cars with a formula very much more simple from todays WRC cars. Only N/A cars. But oc then all classe should need to be rewritten. And yes too much money in it already.

So let´s wait and see - the 2017 formula will end up in doing circles in a Micky Mouse aren somewhere and it will still be called Rally VM. Let´s hope Finland (NORF) will live though...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Cykla me frun. Kanske man skulle göra det i morgon - jag menar idag.

Maybe they should kind of start all over again with GrA cars with a formula very much more simple from todays WRC cars. Only N/A cars. But oc then all classe should need to be rewritten. And yes too much money in it already.

So let´s wait and see - the 2017 formula will end up in doing circles in a Micky Mouse aren somewhere and it will still be called Rally VM. Let´s hope Finland (NORF) will live though...

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Jo then VM comes to mean Very Mickey

Thousand Lakes forever! (norf! sounds like a dog barking in comic strip--herre gud det va grisar säger i svensk barnböcker!)

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Jo then VM comes to mean Very Mickey

Thousand Lakes forever! (norf! sounds like a dog barking in comic strip--herre gud det va grisar säger i svensk barnbäcker!)

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Nej, inte norf norf, utan nöff nöff :)

C'mon guys, PM is for private conversations.

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Originally Posted by EightGear

And I personally can't stand Jon Deborough commentating, but that may well be just me.

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Originally Posted by Jack4688`

Yeah he is a pillock. Just as bad as when we have to put up with Carlton Kirby on the British feed of Eurosport's ERC coverage. They both have verbal diarrhoea that their brains tells them is better than a few seconds of silence against whatever nice backdrop of the local landscape is being shown on screen. Desborough's worse though because he thinks he's a comedian.

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I think that we are thinking about the same person. I tend to mix up Paul King and John Desborough... one if perfectly fine and the other one is an irritable wannabe "commedian" or "poet" or I haven't got a clue *sigh*.
Completely tone- and emotionless too. I have an italian acquaintance that he might be good friends with.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

(jag sitter på jobbet - nattskift)

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Folk har slarvat bort tänken på grunden i jakt efter pengar.

Grunden, or foundation or the base whatever.. That either gone or ignored...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Cykla me frun. Kanske man skulle göra det i morgon - jag menar idag.

Maybe they should kind of start all over again with GrA cars [...] and it will still be called Rally VM. Let´s hope Finland (NORF) will live though...

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Jo then VM comes to mean Very Mickey

Thousand Lakes forever! (norf! sounds like a dog barking in comic strip--herre gud det va grisar säger i svensk barnböcker!)

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Nej, inte norf norf, utan nöff nöff :)

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I go to bed and wake up to this thread transformed into a perfect display of Swinglish from all corners of the world! What on earth happened here, hahaha? Who brought all the strong liquor? :D

Jag är också på nattskifte, 12h, 7 dagar i veckan, men på torsdag ska jag hem, och inget jobb på en månad!

VW Testing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPuLquedT4c

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Originally Posted by itix

I go to bed and wake up to this thread transformed into a perfect display of Swinglish from all corners of the world! What on earth happened here, hahaha? Who brought all the strong liquor? :D

Jag är också på nattskifte, 12h, 7 dagar i veckan, men på torsdag ska jag hem, och inget jobb på en månad!

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Sorry for OT.

No it´s only comics at it´s best. Don´t know if you are familiar with our dear friend John from Seattle (I guess). Talking to him on this forum often comes out with some swedish sentences in the end. No need to be translated to english and I think our norweigan and finnish readers do understand... :)

Working in the North sea?