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Originally Posted by Bagwan
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Fine, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
You did say I accused him .Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I've asked if he lied . It shows this in your quotes .
I don't believe that prior commitments to his team are the only reason he didn't show up .
We'll see soon what he brings to the appeal .
No I did and have not. To repeat - I'm not saying you have ["accused" anyone] Bagwan, but the list of your "speculation" designed to implicate Hamilton is extensive and is there for all to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I used "speculation" to encompass the speculative conjecture that I have referred to before and which I find baffling or, in Knock-On's words, "a load of BS!"
You're right .Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I apologise for saying you used the word "accuse" .
Henners used the word , not you .
This "load of BS" is just speculation , you know .
You Hamilton supporters happen to side with the German courts .
I believe there's got to be something more to the story .
I am leaning to the belief that Sutils camp got out-lawyered but don't have any hard evidence to back it up.
I also would not be surprised if we read that the appeal has been dropped after the parties reached an out of court agreement. Unless:
Bags do you have a link to this assertion, I would very much like to read it (I’m not suggesting it is untrue)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I read that Lux is giving the fine to charity. This strikes me as being a little odd, because this is a criminal case not a civil suit (maybe it's a hybrid?) :confused: , and the money goes "to the people".
I do know that there is a president in the US, as it is my understanding that there are awards given in criminal actions in the Commonwealth of Virginia USA, and not just for attorney fees.
I also question the propriety of only sending in a written statement.
Unless this was only a preliminary hearing, how can the prosecution cross-examine the witness?
Appreciated. Thanks :cool: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
It is just speculation. Unfounded and unnecessary IMHO, but each to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
This is from Sky news :Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
"Formula One driver Adrian Sutil has been handed an 18-month suspended sentence following a nightclub brawl with Renault chief executive Eric Lux.
The ex-Force India driver was charged with grievous bodily harm after a fight in Shanghai following Lewis Hamilton's victory at the China Grand Prix on April 17.
Lux required 24 stitches after being cut in the neck by broken glass during the confrontation.
29-year-old Sutil told Munich district court that he'd "tried everything" to settle the case, including an offer of "tens of millions" and a charitable donation which was turned down.
The German driver, who lost his seat at Force India in December and is still without a drive, claimed he had only intended on spilling his drink on the former Lotus part team owner and says the injuries were an "unintentional accident"."
Perhaps the issue of cross-examination was the reason that a written statement was not acceptable .
I don't think any "out of court settlement" could deal with the fact that the Sutils are of the belief that the original conviction and sentence were too harsh .
They'd have to go to court in an appeal to get things changed in any way , wouldn't they ?
Thank you Sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I've been surfing through some more articles and they are largely based on the same AP account with the damning evidence being:
Lux must be a real tool because he has been quoted as saying in testimony that the reason he didn't accept Sutils apology was that Sutil didn't come to Luxemburg and apologies in person. I would think that upon getting the offer of tons of money, if the real reason for following through with the trial was that he wanted a personal apology, I doubt that AS would have refused, plus his charities would make good use of the funds. He probably could have gotten the personal apology and some big bucks for his charities. I understand why Hamilton didn't want to attend, because this Lux character sounds like he might get a kick out of character assassination. I actually feel badly for Hamilton because he is going to get his dick dragged through the dirt in the appeal over what sounds like something that he had no hand in. If the Sutils wanted him there that badly they should have subpoenaed him. If Hamilton (actually his Lawyers) managed to get permission not to attend, when it came time for the trial Sutil could have asked for, and gotten a continuance.Quote:
Sutil claimed he had only intended on spilling his drink on the former Lotus part team owner and says the injuries were an "unintentional accident"."
Stick a fork in me; I'm done speculating about this barbeque! :wave:
Don't jump the gun, just wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I was wondering where were you hiding all this time, then you come up with this BS bomb! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on