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12th September 2011, 18:23
ioan

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Michelin only had the Barcelona-spec tire available , and could not guarantee they would work any better .
They had at least eight tires that failed or were close to failing , across a number of teams .

And , Jarno took pole on fumes , as Toyota clearly saw they would never be allowed to start the race at all .

The weather that weekend wasn't hot , either , with the temps in the 70F range .

Michael won , for the first time that year .

^ what Baggy said! :up:
12th September 2011, 18:27
ioan

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

LOL I missed this one ioan.

I've met dozens of people off this forum over the years and I think they will confirm I'm hardly a shrinking violet that would hide behind a screen :D

I was just pointing out the irony! ;)
12th September 2011, 21:09
Mia 01

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Originally Posted by henners88

Its also worth mentioning in Indy '05 the FIA proposed to put in a temporary chicane which was agreed with the teams with only one team objecting. Ferrari.

Sorry off topic. :)

On this one I agree with you, Ferrari played real dirty that race. Only six cars competed and if I don´t remeber wron MS on the last lap letted Rubens by, he was whining a lot that year.
12th September 2011, 21:16
steveaki13

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

On this one I agree with you, Ferrari played real dirty that race. Only six cars competed and if I don´t remeber wron MS on the last lap letted Rubens by, he was whining a lot that year.

It was 2002 when Schumacher let Barrichello past on the line for the closest finish +0:00:010 :)

In 2005 Schumacher won over Barrichello after nothing happened. :o
12th September 2011, 21:53
Mia 01

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Originally Posted by aki13

It was 2002 when Schumacher let Barrichello past on the line for the closest finish +0:00:010 :)

In 2005 Schumacher won over Barrichello after nothing happened. :o

Sorry aki, my memory failed this time.
12th September 2011, 22:14
Malbec

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

On this one I agree with you, Ferrari played real dirty that race. Only six cars competed and if I don´t remeber wron MS on the last lap letted Rubens by, he was whining a lot that year.

Ferrari did nothing wrong. They turned up with tyres that were fine and shouldn't have been penalised for having them. It was for Michelin and the teams that used them to come up with a solution.

The Michelin teams proposed the chicane, not the FIA. Max Mosely vetoed the chicane because it would represent a significant change to the circuit, sufficient to invalidate the insurance covering the race and the FIA couldn't check the safety of the layout in time for the race. If an accident had happened the FIA and the circuit at Indy wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.

Ferrari may have lobbied the FIA not to allow the changes but they did not make that decision.
13th September 2011, 04:48
kfzmeister

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Ferrari may have lobbied the FIA not to allow the changes but they did not make that decision.

Ferrari indirectly made that decision by not agreeing to the proposed chicane. All teams had to agree.
I remember hearing that a big part about them not "giving" in to the chicane is because at some other point previously, Ferrari was faced with a similar scenario (although perhaps not tire related) and Michelin runners were asked to make accommodations, yet declined.
This, then, became a sort of payback for Ferrari. They were not in the championship hunt that year, so win at Indy was meaningless.
13th September 2011, 09:01
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by aki13

It was 2002 when Schumacher let Barrichello past on the line for the closest finish +0:00:010 :)

In 2005 Schumacher won over Barrichello after nothing happened. :o

...but still the Shoe felt the need to block his teammate as he exited the pits - just in case a Jordan troubled them..... :laugh:
13th September 2011, 11:44
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

...but still the Shoe felt the need to block his teammate as he exited the pits - just in case a Jordan troubled them..... :laugh:

:laugh:

To be fair Monteiro and Karthikeyan could have been a threat. Albers and Friesacher probably weren't though :p
13th September 2011, 11:59
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Ferrari did nothing wrong. They turned up with tyres that were fine and shouldn't have been penalised for having them. It was for Michelin and the teams that used them to come up with a solution.

The Michelin teams proposed the chicane, not the FIA. Max Mosely vetoed the chicane because it would represent a significant change to the circuit, sufficient to invalidate the insurance covering the race and the FIA couldn't check the safety of the layout in time for the race. If an accident had happened the FIA and the circuit at Indy wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.

Ferrari may have lobbied the FIA not to allow the changes but they did not make that decision.

Totally agree.

Ferrari were under no obligation whatsoever to agree to the chicane and it would have negated the Tyre advantage they had. I can't think of any team that would throw away the chance of a sure win just to help out the competition.

The onus for sorting this mess out was on the FIA. It was impossible for Michelin to anticipate the particular qualities of the diamond cut surface pattern without prior testing, which was information Bridgestone had access to.

This was a clear case of Force Majure with a circuit surface being out of the ordinary to what was found at every other circuit. It was the FIA's responsibility to step in and make sure a proper race happened instead of bringing the sport into dispute.

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