Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Yep "we broke it". Now we have to fix it. We're there now, trying to set up a more representitive government so that they might be able to pull themselves out of the 17th century. But that's not good for people either. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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But isn't the fix based on the assumption that we (in the west) know what is right for the region, and as long as that remains the case there will continue to be resistance and an incompatability between our view and the history, traditions & reality of the Middle East?

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Maybe he made a scary face.

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Gonna answer my question or still rant on insulting those who sacrificed to give you that right?

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Are you ferking nuts? The guy ordered the killing of thousands of people in Muslim countries. Examples and quotes? If you watched TV over the last decade you would have heard and seen them all. Examples and quotes :crazy:

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He did? When ? Where?

Show me where he ordered the killing of Muslims anywhere.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

He did? When ? Where?

Show me where he ordered the killing of Muslims anywhere.

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You missed his post 9/11 speech did you?

"Leaving it alone" stopped being an option when terrorists who were knowingly allowed to operate in Afghanistan by it's government flew two jets into the World Trade Center. At that moment their business became our business.

Likewise, it is not just our business, but the entire civilized world's business if a country and it's people want to live in the 17th century because in this day of apocalyptic weaponry the free, civilized world has no obligation to live in the shadow of people who want to live in the 17th century yet seek access to world ending nuclear weapons.

"Leaving it alone" is what happened in Germany in WWII. In Rwanda in 1994. And in Kosovo in 1998. We do not have the luxury of looking the other way.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

It doesn't need fixing, it needs leaving alone. If they want to live in the 17th century, thats their business and who are we to tell them otherwise.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Yep "we broke it". Now we have to fix it. We're there now, trying to set up a more representitive government so that they might be able to pull themselves out of the 17th century. But that's not good for people either. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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Why don't you go and help the Amish to pull themselves out of the 17th century first. They are much closer to you and much fewer, so it'd be cheaper. An added bonus is that they aren't armed, as far as I know.

Here you go ant:

http://www.britannica.com/bps/additi...r-on-Terrorism

The declaration of war on terrorism was directly aimed at Muslims.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Why don't you go and help the Amish to pull themselves out of the 17th century first. They are much closer to you and much fewer, so it'd be cheaper. An added bonus is that they aren't armed, as far as I know.

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They have pitch forks, which are very dangerous and would require a full airstrike to ensure a safe entry for the ground troops to mop up the survivors.

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

"Leaving it alone" stopped being an option when terrorists who were knowingly allowed to operate in Afghanistan by it's government flew two jets into the World Trade Center. At that moment their business became our business.

Likewise, it is not just our business, but the entire civilized world's business if a country and it's people want to live in the 17th century because in this day of apocalyptic weaponry the free, civilized world has no obligation to live in the shadow of people who want to live in the 17th century yet seek access to world ending nuclear weapons.

"Leaving it alone" is what happened in Germany in WWII. In Rwanda in 1994. And in Kosovo in 1998. We do not have the luxury of looking the other way.

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What if the rest of the world wants to change the West because they feel we create too much pollution with our 21st century technologies. Are they not right in wanting to stop us then? Who decides who gets their way? The guy with the bigger bomb?

Your post is very one sided in the West's favour and f#ck the rest of the world and what they think, what they believe or how they want to live their lives.

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

"Leaving it alone" stopped being an option when terrorists who were knowingly allowed to operate in Afghanistan by it's government flew two jets into the World Trade Center. At that moment their business became our business.

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They were merely retaliating, they weren't the aggressors. Go back 5 decades for the start of todays problems. They didn't have the resources you do, so they improvised with devastating effects.