Can't believe people are whining about Drs. Do they prefer processions?
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Can't believe people are whining about Drs. Do they prefer processions?
No, but we don't like to see cars flying past others that have got absolutely no chance of defending. That is not racing. They need to sort out the aero problems in F1, not try and compensate for them with sh!tty systems like DRS. DRS is just so.....fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
So they got it wrong in turkey. Why don't you go play on your ps3 online rather than whining about it on here? Oh wait that's right..... :D
Hehehe.....luckily, I don't play online and prefer to just play on my own or with my son :) I am what you can call safe :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
No, I prefer racing. Always have. DRS does't promote racing, it creates passing where the car ahead is a "sitting duck" unable to defend the pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
We didn't have DRS last year and yet there were exciting races.
DRS doesn't fix the problem which, for whatever reason, the FIA is unable or unwilling to address which is the fundamental design of the cars which prevents them from racing closely. Perhaps the teams are unwilling to reduce their aero investment. Perhaps sponsors like the multiple wing elements and barge-boards. Who knows.
As it has turned out the three 'new' elements - DRS, KERS & Pirelli tyres - are at least one too many. IMHO the tyres are having a far greater influence on the races than anything else.
I agree that Drs was a bit much in turkey. But Drs as a whole is a step forward.
How is the DRS a step forward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Its not a step forward in engine technology or horsepower.
Its not a step forward in aerodynamics.
Its not a step forward in drive train or suspension or steering.
The DRS in itself is a step backward in that it provides an uneven playing field during the race based on track position. Weight handicapping could be another way to make the field "uneven". Would you consider weight handicaps in the race to be a step forward?
I have been an advocate of weight based handicapping in the past but only in qualifying. That position has essentially been made mute by the tyres this year.
The DRS actually has a hint of desperation about it in that F1 gives the appearance of wanting to do absolutely anything to increase overtaking. Unfortunately, seeing F1 cars flying past other F1 cars is not enjoyable for anybody.
If they continue with the DRS they need to consider dynamically adjusting the zone based on prevailing conditions during the race and limit the number of times the DRS can be used per pit interval.
I can offer you one step forward off the top of my head. We have seen the fastest EVER laps at the last two venues, despite massive reductions in downforce and engine power since they were set. DRS is directly responsible for this step forward in pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whyzars
Did DRS sleep with your girlfriend or something? You seem to have this obsession with making slightly irrelevant points regarding it is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whyzars
The days of F1 being some sort of testbed for roadcars is over, this may have been true in the days where roadcar developement/design was done in a more primitive way, but not anymore. Porsche are using KERS for the 918 Spyder, but this will never happen for everyday roadcars and therefore F1 is not financially worthwhile competing in if you're wanting to develop technology for your roadcars.
I think if we were seeing driver x pass driver y then driver x retook him in the drs zone and then this being repeated ad nauseum then we could say DRS is a complete failure, but this isn't happening. All we're seeing is drivers who are faster than other drivers being able to get past a little too easily. With more experience of DRS, we'll see things get a bit better.
Anyone who thought that F1 was fine before the FIA tried to do something about the lack of overtaking has clearly been dropped on their head an odd number of times. Was DRS overdone in Turkey? Probably, has it been proven to be a failure on all tracks? No.....
I sometimes think she feels I could do with a performance boost... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
As far as irrelevant points go I merely disagreed with your comment about it being an improvement. Its a slippery slope when the entertainment becomes more important than the racing.
I disagree. F1, in fact motorsport in general, has always been an idea's factory with the best ideas being adopted by the commercial market. KERS is the example you use. KERS and specifically fly-wheels are being tested extensively in the long-haul trucking industry with double digit percentage reductions in fuel usage being realised. Its appropriate that F1 engineers be tasked with that techical challenge. It advances mankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Now the rules surrounding KERS I believe they got those wrong in that it was a "push to pass" item and that is the same with the DRS. Its "push to pass" and I don't believe that is the way for F1 to move forward.
Faster drivers getting past slower drivers easier begs the question as to how they got behind them in the first place. Why should a faster driver be able to get past a slower driver easier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
There is no doubt that an F1 car has a huge advantage when leading and there have been many changes made in the past few years with this in mind. Personally I don't see much of a problem in F1 as the races do pretty much finish in the order expected.
I don't think that the DRS will ever lend itself to "experience" making it better. Track/weather conditions is making it difficult to decide on the optimal positioning of the zone during a race weekend and technology changes from year to year may see most races in the future being affected negatively by the DRS if its adoption becomes permanent.