Student Riots

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

As for the effect on engineering, for a country that supposedly wants to boost manufacturing in order to wean itself off the financial sector in the future, discouraging students from studying that discipline seems to indicate a lack of foresight to say the least. Maybe we can import engineers in the future, if only there wasn't an immigration cap..

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Then why not allow independent concerns to fund the establishment of engineering schools. With the prospective clients (Businesses; large, small and in-between) having a say, along with engineering organizations and interested parties working together to devise the standards, ciriculum, and grading for possible students.

After leaving school I did the first year of an accountancy vocational training course. After I got the qualification I changed my mind about vocational training straight from school and went on to do A levels the following year. I later went on to to an Accountancy and Finance degree at a red brick university. Due my parents separation some years earlier and me living with my mother I was considered 'poor' enough to go to univsersity for free even though my dad was a doctor.

I graduated from my accountancy degree, training contract with an accountancy firm 6 weeks later and qualified as a chartered accountant 3 years later. Even though I did a degree in the area that I later went on to work in I would still consider my degree to have been about 98% worthless when it came to do my later training and professional exams. This is not to say that I think my time at university was 98% useless. In terms of the life experience and the person I became because of university I think my decision to scrap vocational training after one year was the probably the best decision I have ever made in my life. I really do not think that I would have got to the professional position that I am today if I hadn't decided to go to university. I suppose that sounds easy for me to say because I went to university for free but I am pretty sure I would say the same thing if I had paid £9k per year.

There is a trainee at work who reminds me of the person I probably would have been if I hadn't have gone to university. She is extremely shy, she doesn't really want to interact with client's or us for that matter and she has previously refused to go out to a client premises if she hasn't had time for her mum to go on a reconnaissance drive there before hand with her. In less than a year she could be a qualified accountant on a salary of around £30k but be 'too expensive' in terms of charge out rates to do the job's she feel's comfortable with. If I was the boss I would be wanting to sack her the moment she gets her exam results. That sounds harsh and cruel but in reality she is a dead weight to the firm. I think the university experience is one that could have either made her or unfortunately broken her.

Personally, I think university made me but hey what do I know. I'm just a boring accountant. :p

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Originally Posted by driveace

Now if we are picking up on spelling faults ioan,then look back at some of your last items posted in the last few days,and you made some too!!!!!!
Or are you mr perfect?

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Spelling mistakes in a thread about higher education have to be sanctioned, especially when the poster who makes the mistakes is against free higher education.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Spelling mistakes in a thread about higher education have to be sanctioned, especially when the poster who makes the mistakes is against free higher education.

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There is also the irony of British people with such a poor grasp of English having the gall to comment on a matter such as the UK's higher education system in the first place.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

There is also the irony of British people with such a poor grasp of English having the gall to comment on a matter such as the UK's higher education system in the first place.

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It's Germans like you who really get their goat! Fritz is bloody coming over here telling us how to speak our (pronounced arr incidently) language! Well I've had enough! :p

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Perhaps you missed this, or deliberately ignored it.

If you ignore the Torygraph's simplistic and misleading headline you will see that in fact students of Sport, Media and Culture were examining the rise of football from its folk origins in the 17th century to the central place it occupies in British culture.

But then that wouldn't have made a very interesting point would it :dozey:

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Ahh so if it is Mail or Telegraph it has to be wrong, how utterly unbiased

It's a worthless degree course, am sure it could be covered in 1 year at the local college of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by driveace

Now if we are picking up on spelling faults ioan,then look back at some of your last items posted in the last few days,and you made some too!!!!!!
Or are you mr perfect?

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Standard practice when they haven't a decent / worthwhile reply

If in doubt / floundering - then spell check

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Given that the courses are going to be charged per year it will be the longer courses such as medicine and engineering that will most likely see a drop in interest. Since a medical degree will cost up to 54k purely for the course itself, not to mention the extra living and travelling expenses that such a degree entails, its safe to say that poorer students will be discouraged from applying. Instead we'll see a move back to how things were before with merely the already well off being able to contemplate studying medicine.

As for the effect on engineering, for a country that supposedly wants to boost manufacturing in order to wean itself off the financial sector in the future, discouraging students from studying that discipline seems to indicate a lack of foresight to say the least. Maybe we can import engineers in the future, if only there wasn't an immigration cap...

In fact I foresee an increase in the number of 'useless' courses you describe, after all they are far cheaper for the universities to run and are therefore more profitable as well as being more affordable for students.

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The students don't have to pay anything until they have finished and are earning so whether their mummy and daddy earn £1m a month or £25k it makes no difference to what they will have to pay AFTER qualifying.

As I've said it is in fact a fairer system than the existing one and that is why anybody that has read and understood it is for it, the only ones against it are those who hear and believe the headlines.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Ahh so if it is Mail or Telegraph it has to be wrong, how utterly unbiased

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To be honest I wouldn't wipe my arse with the Daily Mail because it's already covered in ****. What a sorry excuse for a newspaper, predominantly read by bigoted moronic excuses for members of society.

It's that bad that it makes me feel so strongly. It's not bias if it's reporting is that bad.

The Telegraph is more acceptable in my view.

p.s. What are you doing up at this time of night BM? My excuse is that I'm a student :p :