Will SchM succeed in his comeback?

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23rd March 2010, 11:46
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by eu

Didn't Wurz say Brawn's car was probably the most expensive one ever built in f1? That they've started working very early on it? That they've used up to 3 tunnels? That they've spent quite a lot of money before Honda decided to retire?

Isn't that the point? Now Honda are gone, so is the resource and gobfuls of cash. Brawn/MGP are a smaller team now, or certainly were until the Merc tie up.

I am sure they will come good in time.
23rd March 2010, 11:56
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Gosh!! After winning the WDC one year, now after just one race, "he don't stand out no more". :(

Oh! ye of little faith. Let the flame shine brightly, let the Bunsen conquer all, so that he standeth from the top of the podium once again!!

In 2009 driving the Brawn-Ilien V8 he won the championship :D He is one of the best drivers and one of only four world champions on the grid - an elite place indeed.

But who is the best driver in F1 - its Alonso. He IS the Schumacher Slayer! And since 2005 has been the best driver in F1.

I reckon he is the driver most likely to become 2010 world champion.
23rd March 2010, 12:13
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by henners88

Yes but thats a totally different year. We are discussing the development of the 2010 car not the 2009. Honda were not funding development for this seasons car. :)

My bad then. I didn't get what you were saying.
23rd March 2010, 12:50
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

In 2009 driving the Brawn-Ilien V8 he won the championship :D He is one of the best drivers and one of only four world champions on the grid - an elite place indeed.

But who is the best driver in F1 - its Alonso. He IS the Schumacher Slayer! And since 2005 has been the best driver in F1.

I reckon he is the driver most likely to become 2010 world champion.

And that's why a rookie kicked his ass, right?

One race, one race, and poor Bunsen is dropped for the guy who had his ass kicked by Lewis Hamilton. Some Poms are real quick to jump ship, aren't they!!
23rd March 2010, 13:48
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

You mean aside from Alonso himself?

One name: ALAIN PROST

Hamilton knew that he was Dennis' "boy". Do you recall the "incident" - Hamilton causing problems in the pits in 2007? Hamilton only this year stated that he regretted it.

The proof is there and the history exists - naturally YOU could declare that Prost and Alonso are liars........

It was Ron Dennis' way and especially Alonso, when he left his "home" at Renault he correctly expected to be treated as the Schumacher slayer and twice world champion that he is.

Instead he was the usurper.

There is no proof, there are only opinions. Alonso has shown himself to be an emotional idiot many times in his career, that time no exception. Prost on the other hand (I dont even know what quotes of him you are referring to, surely you will be able to provide them here) has no access to McLaren and his opinion is worth no more than anyone elses. It is like Eddie jordan saying 1000 things, getting one of them right and then being so proud of that.

Alonso and Hamilton were given equal treatment, that is what bothered Alonso - he wanted to be the clear nr.1 and he actually would have been that if he had been clearly faster than Hamilton, but what happened is that Hamilton proven himself to be marginally faster than Alonso.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

You spin the situation or you really are ignorant about what happens?

Alonso will go with the team strategy unless he reads things differently and as in Japan assumed command of his strategy and won iin a car that was also not supposed to.

You still have no explained what was so wonderful what he did at Japan, go on explain. What strategical decisions did he make?

As for going with team strategy, the strategy they picked at Singapore was so unbeliveably idiotic that no one sane would accept that as the best strategy. Yet Alonso went with it.

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Mclaren will NOT allow that with Hamilton - the radio communication is always that of Hamilton obeying not commanding.

Do you have 100% access to McLaren team radio?
Can you provide examples of what you are saying here?

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Fernando Alonso unlike Hamilton has moral courage. He had the courage to stand by his friend Flavio Briatore in the face of all the world.

Yeah, but the fact remains that Flavios acts were that of a very dishonest person. I would not like to have such friends.

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Spoilt children seldom do.

You cant get more spoilt that Alonso, the guy who threw tantrums because his teammate was faster than him.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

How many other times have the FIA needed to police a garage to ensure fair play?

How about the mysterious tyre-pressure changes that led to the FIA putting a steward in the Mclaren garage?

How about the fact that Hamilton recieved no meaningful sanction by the team for his actions in Budapest?

Now, obviously a team wouldn't broadcast such underhand tactics to the world, but nevermind that as Mclaren, I keep forgetting, are above such things.

This is Mclaren we are talking about, after all, a by-word for integrity and honesty, certainly not a place were anything untoward would ever happen.

At least it is if, like Henners, you actually haven't been watching F1 these past three years.

So you have no actual proof. Good.

What sanctions should the team have put on Hamilton for that? Banned him for one race? Yeah, good one.
23rd March 2010, 15:48
ratonmacias

if you read Jo Ramirez´s book he states clearly that Ron Dennis likes to have a driver he loves as if it were his kid and that the last ones were Senna, Hakkinen and Raikkonen its an old book 2005 or 2006 so lewis isnt mentioned. he also states that honda started clearly favoring Senna giving him the updates first and at some points senna had 30 or so honda guys while prost had 10 to 12
23rd March 2010, 15:54
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by ratonmacias

if you read Jo Ramirez´s book he states clearly that Ron Dennis likes to have a driver he loves as if it were his kid and that the last ones were Senna, Hakkinen and Raikkonen its an old book 2005 or 2006 so lewis isnt mentioned. he also states that honda started clearly favoring Senna giving him the updates first and at some points senna had 30 or so honda guys while prost had 10 to 12

Interesting about the Honda comment. There was, many moons ago, a 30 mins or so program on the box about Senna at McLaren in 1993. This is when they were running the Ford as a customer.

Ayrton went out in the car, came back in, and told the Ford guys there was a strange noise and they must change the engine. They wouldn't have it until he threw a wobbly. They changed the engine, took the old one apart, and found a fault that would have led to a failure.

The man was amazing........
23rd March 2010, 16:28
Sonic

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Interesting about the Honda comment. There was, many moons ago, a 30 mins or so program on the box about Senna at McLaren in 1993. This is when they were running the Ford as a customer.

Ayrton went out in the car, came back in, and told the Ford guys there was a strange noise and they must change the engine. They wouldn't have it until he threw a wobbly. They changed the engine, took the old one apart, and found a fault that would have led to a failure.

The man was amazing........

And to swing this full circle back to schumi; according to Steady Eddie Irvine MS is extreemly sensitive to engines ans will surely be a great help in developing fuel maps etc that conserve the jungle juice whilst still pumping out 750 odd BHP.
23rd March 2010, 17:15
F1boat

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Note quite the clear evidence I was after, but if that's your best shot, tally ho.

Now, liken Hamilton overtaking Alonso in Hungary qually to this little tale;

http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/2689

It is called competive nature.

what a great story is the one of Webber and Nico.
23rd March 2010, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

So you have no actual proof. Good.

I have all the proof of Mclaren being liars that I need, thanks.

Don't tell me you haven't been watching F1 either these past three years.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

What sanctions should the team have put on Hamilton for that? Banned him for one race? Yeah, good one.

Well, since kicking the crap out of the little cxxt would have been frowned on, then that would have been a decent option.

By doing feck all, Mclaren confirmed to the world that they believe in underhand behaviour from their favoured son.

And there is plenty of proof of that.

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