Universal Health Care Reform in the United States

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Because one has a choice as to which flag one has under one's name. I am aware that choosing not to display the flag of one's own country might be considered practically treasonous by your sort, but I don't care.

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I wouldn't consider it treasonous, just curious. So what is the reason? German heritage? Honest question.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Fox news is the only credible news organization in the US. All the others are just Democrat party mouthpieces. At least Fox is middle of the road.

Look at all the crying over the death of teddy by the other networks. The numbers of viewers are down and yet they are treating it like the death of a sitting President. Not a senator.

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Fox does nothing but incite fear and vile hatred into the silly souls that believe the crap they spew out through people tv sets.

But anthonyvop, im glad that we agree on the same things when it comes to news on the Bleacher Report!! ;)

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Originally Posted by steve_spackman

Fox does nothing but incite fear and vile hatred into the silly souls that believe the crap they spew out through people tv sets.

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Do you guys get MSNBC over there? Ever see Keith Oberman, or Rachel Madow, or Chris Mathews? Same thing, just left instead of right.

I don't think either side "lies", they just put their spin on things.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Do you guys get MSNBC over there? Ever see Keith Oberman, or Rachel Madow, or Chris Mathews? Same thing, just left instead of right.

I don't think either side "lies", they just put their spin on things.

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Ive seen em all whenever ive visited the US to see family.....

I keep away from FOX...As for Keith Oberman, or Rachel Madow, or Chris Mathews..i watch them now and again, but prefer Bill Maher

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Originally Posted by steve_spackman

Ive seen em all whenever ive visited the US to see family.....

I keep away from FOX...As for Keith Oberman, or Rachel Madow, or Chris Mathews..i watch them now and again, but prefer Bill Maher

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Bill Maher?!!!!!???? What???? You think he's unbiased???? Come on man, you're smarter than that.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Bill Maher?!!!!!???? What???? You think he's unbiased???? Come on man, you're smarter than that.

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Bill Maher is funny..Oh yes very funny

I did enjoy his film Religulous..

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Originally Posted by steve_spackman

Bill Maher is funny..Oh yes very funny

I did enjoy his film Religulous..

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Funny? Maybe, but don't take him serious. He's just a funny man.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Sure they make profits, but why are profits so "evil"?

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The answer to this question is contained in none other than your own post:

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Originally Posted by chuck34

greed of those people.

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The basic profit motive of all businesses is in direct opposition to patient care. There is in essence only two methods of increasing profit - Either increasing end user costs, which you've already got because on a per person basis as a nation you already pay more than any any other country in the world. Or by lowering costs; how can you possibly improve patient care by lowering costs?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

The power being vested in unelected people will not change even if the government takes over the entire system. Career beaurocrats will be running the system and they are unelected. There will always be people making loads of money, and sadly we're probably always going to pay for it one way or another. The trick is to harness the greed of those people.

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Cost overruns are surely more desirable than lowered patient outcomes. You can't honestly tell me that because you pay higher premiums, you're getting a better level of service, can you?
Why in principle is it desirable for instance to value patients according to their level of incomes? Where's the equity in that?

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Fox news is the only credible news organization in the US. All the others are just Democrat party mouthpieces. At least Fox is middle of the road.

Look at all the crying over the death of teddy by the other networks. The numbers of viewers are down and yet they are treating it like the death of a sitting President. Not a senator.

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Middle of the road??

That is why they got the only Conservative in the UK, Daniel Hannan, to talk about how rubbish he thinks the NHS.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I wouldn't consider it treasonous, just curious. So what is the reason? German heritage? Honest question.

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Lived there, want to move back there.