Was Lewis passing Heikki legal?

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Of course that was a team order. Yes, he was told that Lewis was faster...what else that is, if not a team order to order Heikki to move over?! That is the way they have to say. Otherwise there would be consequences.

If it wasnt a direct order, why Heikki was furious after race and swored that is not allowed to fight? In F1 extra in MTV3 JJ Lehto and Oskari Saari told how really furious Heikki really was because of team order before he calmed down... But of course you dont have to believe it because it just happened in finnish and not english, because in Finland we dont have a queen that God will save... ;)

I dont understand about that bashing towards ioan, he is saying how it is in this case. It was a team order, it happens in F1 and its a stupid rule.

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But it's not an explicit instruction. They just told him Lewis was quicker and the onus was on Heikki.

Why was Heikki angry? Probably at himself, IMO. Partly because it wasn't an explicit team order so you can put blame on team orders but more importantly his race pace hasn't been particularly good this season and he knows it.

I think the question you should be asking is what was Heikki thinking when the team told him Lewis was quicker. From the way Heikki 'moved over' he wasn't sure whether it as full team order or not.

Yes, it's illegal, no one can justify this what happened on track. And its a race and how he let him to pass by and it seems to be very first occurence for me from since i watching race.

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Originally Posted by racecraze

Yes, it's illegal, no one can justify this what happened on track. And its a race and how he let him to pass by and it seems to be very first occurence for me from since i watching race.

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Apparently the FIA disagree with you.

Would you have the same opinion with Brazil last year I wonder?

No team will accept their drivers being hindered and the rule was brought in to stop race fixing, not stop racing.

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Originally Posted by ioan

English is the international language bla bla bla, go tell that to a French for example!

Or to a Chinese who never learned English. And the list could go on.

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As for my English, I bet it's better than your Romanian, or any other language that it happens that I speak fluently. :laugh:

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Case and point!

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Of course that was a team order. Yes, he was told that Lewis was faster...what else that is, if not a team order to order Heikki to move over?! That is the way they have to say. Otherwise there would be consequences.

If it wasnt a direct order, why Heikki was furious after race and swored that is not allowed to fight? In F1 extra in MTV3 JJ Lehto and Oskari Saari told how really furious Heikki really was because of team order before he calmed down... But of course you dont have to believe it because it just happened in finnish and not english, because in Finland we dont have a queen that God will save... ;)

I dont understand about that bashing towards ioan, he is saying how it is in this case. It was a team order, it happens in F1 and its a stupid rule.

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Shalafi the mistake that you, Ioan and few other are making is the assumption of a "direct order" for Heikki to move over. There's yet to be any proof, in finish, english, or any other language, that Heikki was told to move over. As many have pointed out no one is arguing the implied team order. The argument is over the proof of an explicit team order, which as of yet does not exist, in any language.

Ioan just goes on and on and on with the premises that there is an explicit order, and chooses to ignore any questions regarding the validity of his statements.

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Shalafi the mistake that you, Ioan and few other are making is the assumption of a "direct order" for Heikki to move over. There's yet to be any proof, in finish, english, or any other language, that Heikki was told to move over. As many have pointed out no one is arguing the implied team order. The argument is over the proof of an explicit team order, which as of yet does not exist, in any language.

Ioan just goes on and on and on with the premises that there is an explicit order, and chooses to ignore any questions regarding the validity of his statements.

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Well... When Heikki after the race swored and said "Ei saa ajaa kilpaa", translation "Im not allowed to race", then that is good enough proof for me! But because people here dont believe it, I let it now be and will not write anything about this subject. Lets see what will happen this weekend, shall we...

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Well... When Heikki after the race swored and said "Ei saa ajaa kilpaa", translation "Im not allowed to race", then that is good enough proof for me! But because people here dont believe it, I let it now be and will not write anything about this subject. Lets see what will happen this weekend, shall we...

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he could have meant it in another context...i mean different meaning rather than the literal meaning...?????

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Well... When Heikki after the race swored and said "Ei saa ajaa kilpaa", translation "Im not allowed to race", then that is good enough proof for me! But because people here dont believe it, I let it now be and will not write anything about this subject. Lets see what will happen this weekend, shall we...

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That certainly supports the implied directive, but, IMO, doesn't make Ron or Mclaren a sneaky, two faced, back room scheming, bring the sport into disrepute, sleaze ball as Ioan would like us all to believe.

"I'm not allowed to race ."
Are we sure this is a literal translation ?

If it is , it shows clearly that this was a team order , albeit veiled by wording .

So , it was , but it wasn't .

BOTH sides of this are correct .

Now , let's stop all this rock throwing , and agree that this rule is stupid .

Stupid , stupid , stupid .

Agreed!