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It was a rash challenge and by modern rules it was a Red Card.
As for the Penalty debate.
It depends I have heard some people saying the first contact was outside so its a FK.
Then I have heard some say the foul started outside, but the illegal contact continued knocking Messi off balance inside the area, so it could be deemed as a FK & Pen and that the Ref was entitled to give either.
I am not sure what the official rules say. Is it when a foul starts or is it where the foul finishes?
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Originally Posted by steveaki13
The foul occurs when illegal contact is made, not where the bodies end up. The slowmo clearly shows Messi also started to fall outside the area, but of course the linesman (nor his guide dog) could probably not detect that in real time :)
So the correct decision should have been FK and red card.
Devils advocate here. I know its not where he falls.
Before Messi fell they crossed the line into the area, the defenders legs were still making continued contact with his legs. So say its a 3 second period of contact before Messi falls, which part of the 3 seconds is the foul given for. The contact starts outside, but 2.5 or 3 seconds later the defender was still as much in contact but now the had travelled into the area. Then once inside Messi finally fell to the floor.
It's hard to believe that I'm writing this but...... Go Arsenal! :p:
Stupid Ozil :s
Edit:
Stupid Keeper :s
Stupid Alaba :p:
Once again an English side with a man down, referee fault again ? :s
I get fed up with football.
Why are the rules like they are??????
Fair enough give a penalty, but how does that really deserve to be a red card and ruin the game. It was a foul, but apart from that it wasn't dangerous or major.
Don't quote the last man rule because I know that, but its rubbish. Red Cards were introduced to stop dangerous tackles. Now you get one for the smallest contact. The punishment of a penalty should be enough.
If its a dangerous or cynical foul (like a knee high two footer or pulling someone down then fair enough), but to send Goalkeepers off for brushing Robbens leg is stupid.
I also think Goalkeepers also get to much protection. They have the advantage of using their hands and yet they get a freekick if someone goes near them.
Football in 10 years will be just an American Football style stop every 20 seconds when 2 players brush and have a set play.
While Football back in the day was too hard. (kicking any skilful player). I believe its gone too far the other way now.
Tackles should be allowed as long as its a honest attempt to get the ball. If it is dangerous or cynical as I said send them off, but ruling out tackling from the side and back when they just poke the ball away and people say its dangerous is stupid.
I play at a local level and you get loads of tackles that would be instant yellows at the top level. However I have never been injured by a tackle from behind? So why is it dangerous for top athletes?
Its just pandering to God knows what, so we're stuck with people on TV and in FIFA saying "That's a clear penalty because there was contact". WTF Penalties should be if you literally cant have a decent attempt. Yet one brush of a sock and players fall down when in on goal and have a chance to score.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...... Its becoming like Basketball (no contact)
Another thing which annoys me. A player gives away 3 minor fouls and gets booked and so another 1 or 2 and he could be SENT OFF, without doing anything that's dangerous. "Persistent" fouling should not be a yellow card unless its blatant cynical fouling. The punishment for small fouls is mean't to be that you get a "Free" kick of the ball.
Basically FIFA in trying to make the game "better" according to them, are ruining loads of games with soft sendings off.
Right Rant over, but I hate the way football is going
Steve, I almost agree with everything you said, especially about the red card, stupid rule indeed ! :down:
I agree that red card is too much for this kind of challenges.
+1 steve
Bye Arsenal, bye Milan...