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finally it will happen!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by red bull
well if is not a competitive debut it really doesn't mean much... it is ok we are going to see the car in action though.
As for the CItroen-Loeb blah blah blah we must wait and see if those british rumours are true.
Totally correctQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Yes its the primary one when the customers are short of money and loans come with enomous interests.
If you dont invest in bad times, you have nothing when good times coming back. PSA should consider how important marketing is even in bad times. Rallying is one way of marketing. Not the cheapest, but gives the brand a status which shouldnt be underestimated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Great! Though not competitive participation we will see it among other cars in a real race and I guess Sardinia would be great durability test ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
That is exactly what happened in 1982/3 when they gave the go ahead for the 205T16 project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Do you know what is the financial situation in PSA or you just talk common theories? What you say is valid only for dinosaurs like VW, GM etc which have plenty of money in reserve despite the global crysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
That didn't worked for them I guess. With all their titles in WRC still the situation is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
For all their success, do Citroen actually use it to sell cars? The adverts for the DS3 are dancing cars......where is Loeb? Where is the WRC success shown?
Its the same with Skoda and the IRC. You see adverts in the specialised press but in the TV ads for the Fabia there is nothing about all the success they have had in the IRC.
Just read on British Rally Forum that Craig Breen will be driving on this weekends Nicky Grist Stages and will be co-driven by Dai Roberts, brother of Gareth, to whom the event is dedicated :)
Just a few months ago there was a TV commercial about the DS3 with Loeb in it. A policeman on a motorbike was following him when suddenly Seb stopped and asked:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Did I do anything wrong? And the policeman answered: PAS ENCORE. :D
:D :D. Has the policeman actually seen Finnish driver? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
The new Skoda Fabia RS - From IRC rally car to road car - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
i do not know about the uk but this TV ad was in Greek tv a while ago.
Very bad humour and dangerous! :D
This one I meant:
Citroën DS3 Racing TV-commercial met rallycoureur Sébastian Loeb - YouTube
And here some kind of 'uncut' version which probably only aired in France:
Publicité Citroën DS3 Racing avec Sébastien Loeb. - YouTube
Well, that explains everything. No one should be rally driver on the streets :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
There are a lot of good things to invest instead WRC, and cheaper. WRC is expensive and has a dramatic lack of visibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
In motorsport?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Like what?
And also in Spain, some days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
A lot of people are in pain for many years now...
I like it !!!
It would be nice if Citroen Loeb stay one more year and it is quite likely despite the propaganda kitties mewing all the time...
Some people seem to prefer slow motion rallying like in the 80s where every tourist driver could win... it is nice everything evolves and people that stay behind are in agony feeding their pain only with hate towards succefull people.
Continue crying, soon enough your tears will be enough to bathe in them.
It would be really nice if Citroen and Loeb stay one more year. Because frankly this year I'm bored to see them winning all the time without any "real" competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You believe that VW will be ready to win from the start in their first full season ?? has something like this happened before ??Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I of course wish they can have a car ready to win... but i doubt it... maybe they can win events but the championship i think is hard... we are talking about a team with a huge amount of money but their rally experice is ZERO. If they manage it it will be amazing.
And then all the little doggys with flappy ears will start say Loeb is a coward becasue he doesn't stay until VW are competitive enough...
typical masters of nothingness.
I dont agree. Its nothing new when a "new" manu starts winning the first season. And VW is not exactly even new in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
For sure yes, as mentioned they have a lot of money, but that is just what´s needed to make sucess. Maybe they don´t win the whole championship but very well single events. And that is enough for us freaks to be happy. (My personal opinion is that they can be champions the first year, with or without Citroen)
Lets wait and see...
Well, it is not like inventing the Quattro technology, but did happen before - AUDI in '82.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Is their car ready to win? I don't know, probably no one know just now, but tests are promising in car's strength, which is what Ford were vulnerable this year. How would be with the speed? That is the question which will be answered next year.
VW Rally experience? Not recently, but there is some in the past with Golf. But, with Carlos Sainz helping them build their car and recruiting Ogier one year earlier, I guess they will be just fine with this.
It may be a coincidence, but VW wrc entry trajectory is very similar to the one lived by Citroen.
Both based their teams on rally-raid dominant structures. Both acclimatize their teams to wrc using low level cars (Cit used saxos). Both spent over one year testing their wrc cars (Citroen have done it in a experimental category on french champioship).
Main difference: Citroen first wrc season (2000) wasn't a complete attempt. They entered only some selected events using B level drivers (Bugalski, Radstrom, Puras and newcommer...Loeb). Results were promissing but only a few podiums achieved.
Serious results only came in third year, with more experienced Loeb and world champions McRae and Sainz joining the team, when Citroen dominate the series becoming WRC manu champ and Loeb almost win his first driver title.
Considering that 2013 VW wrc entry will be a full scale participation (with top levels drivers) and competition will came from only one or two manus (not 5 or 6 like in the early's 2000), we can expect that VW results curve will raise much faster...
Knowing some of the names that VW have recruited from existing teams they have aquired quite an impressive talent pool, this includes rally managers and co-ordinators, engineers, technicians, and truckies. Sure this is no guarantee of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
An interesting fact was stated in Finland after VW :s test, they used the same road as Ctroen last year but weren`t yet able to get as fast a time as with Citroen, of course the conditions can have a big input, but if not at same speed as Citroen last year than there`s still some way to go as Citroen probably is getting faster all the time as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Also the engineers at VW are hoping for more feedback from the nr.1 driver at VW...
You really must visit a doctor as soon as possible. Unless you are an undercover alien.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
That is interesting fact indeed. May be that is normal for a few reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
1) It is their first test in Finland, so I guess just tried out how the car is going on this roads without pushing to the limit.
2) May be more important test there would be the suspension itself, rather than speed.
After all as Jost Capito says "it is easier to make slow and strong car faster, than fast and weak car stronger" :s mokin:
same i understant reading a Ogiers speech at a magazine.They are not near Citroens speed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
I find Capitos saying quit different to what all others have been saying in the past, usually it`s easier to make a fast car strong than a slow and strong car fast. and I`m not meaning that the VW is slow..Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Think of it yuorselves, if something brakes you can see where it breakes and make it stronger, but if a car is slow it`s not at all that easy to find out why as several factors can influence that!
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
some times is impossible to fix the speed,specially if it is a design mistake at chassis,weight distribution,dimensions etc something that you can t change homologating part/s
Mads Ostberg in hospital after the accident at shakedown before the rally Bohemia
has he any injuries ? or was just as precaution ?
pain at backQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
edit seems it is serious!! they are going with airplane to Norway
http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14105
something with his back/backbone .. flying back to norway in an ambulance airplane
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/uploads...20120713-1.jpg