The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by airshifter

They need some good finishes from both drivers to get 2nd in constructors points..... I can't fault them at all. It's not as if any other team is going to lay down and make it easy. Though Seb and RB have dominated the year, the rest of the pack is much closer.

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Indeed. There are 3 teams vying for the second spot. It's gonna be an interesting race to the finish for them :)

I´m afraid they gonna lose second in the WCC and moore.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I too think Felipe is unfairly criticised. I mean he has raced for Ferrari for 8 seasons and all but won a title and has beaten Alonso at times in Quali this year.

He has had Schumi, Kimi and Fernando as team mates which most drivers would struggle with. Have many drivers had 3 such top level team mates?

I too hope he gets a drive next season somewhere to have some fun and race hard without being in Alonso's shadow.

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I think the Massa criticism has been justified to an extent at least. Yes, he qualifies and starts well, but the problem is that he basically always fades in the race. Look at Abu Dhabi. He was doing fine for half a race, then suddenly Alonso started lapping 1 second per lap faster. In India Massa finished fourth, but as we know, he was holding other drivers up (notably Mercedes) and I believe Alonso would have finished on the podium in his position.

I can't remember the last time Massa had a spectacular race pace for the whole race, not just the opening phase. Hopefully Räikkönen can offer more on that front next year, even if his qualifying isn't spectacular.

Rumours say Massa could be at Williams next year. If Williams with new Mercedes' engines could rejuvenate and again get close to the team's 2012 form, then Massa could provide some action. But I again suspect this "action" will be mainly about qualifying and the first half of the race before the drops off.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

I´m afraid they gonna lose second in the WCC and moore.

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Looks like that is the scenario :(

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Originally Posted by jens

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I too think Felipe is unfairly criticised. I mean he has raced for Ferrari for 8 seasons and all but won a title and has beaten Alonso at times in Quali this year.

He has had Schumi, Kimi and Fernando as team mates which most drivers would struggle with. Have many drivers had 3 such top level team mates?

I too hope he gets a drive next season somewhere to have some fun and race hard without being in Alonso's shadow.

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I think the Massa criticism has been justified to an extent at least. Yes, he qualifies and starts well, but the problem is that he basically always fades in the race. Look at Abu Dhabi. He was doing fine for half a race, then suddenly Alonso started lapping 1 second per lap faster. In India Massa finished fourth, but as we know, he was holding other drivers up (notably Mercedes) and I believe Alonso would have finished on the podium in his position.

I can't remember the last time Massa had a spectacular race pace for the whole race, not just the opening phase. Hopefully Räikkönen can offer more on that front next year, even if his qualifying isn't spectacular.

Rumours say Massa could be at Williams next year. If Williams with new Mercedes' engines could rejuvenate and again get close to the team's 2012 form, then Massa could provide some action. But I again suspect this "action" will be mainly about qualifying and the first half of the race before the drops off.

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Don't you think though that Massa has been unfortunate that he has had Schumi, Kimi and Alonso as his teammates at Ferrari. I mean most drivers in the last 10 years would lose out to those three.

He did nearly win a title in 2008, so he is a decent driver really. Just not one of the best.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Don't you think though that Massa has been unfortunate that he has had Schumi, Kimi and Alonso as his teammates at Ferrari. I mean most drivers in the last 10 years would lose out to those three.

He did nearly win a title in 2008, so he is a decent driver really. Just not one of the best.

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Massa was not only decent in 2008, but I think he was very good around 2007-2009. However, sadly I have never felt he has been the same driver since his accident. And I highly suspect his ability to keep up the pace and concentration for the whole race has been dented by the accident. Because before that in his peak years he didn't have those problems.

However, I can't say he has been exactly unlucky to face these drivers as team-mates, because if you race in top teams and especially in Ferrari, chances are you will race against very strong team-mate(s). It sounds like Webber was unlucky to face Vettel, Button Hamilton, Rosberg Hamilton and Schumacher, etc. But this is what happens if you race in top teams - there are top drivers.

true.

I think Felipe might have a boost to his career away from Alonso and Ferrari, he might have a good couple more years at Williams.

Meets with SD right in the middle of a dogfight ;) between Lotus, Mercedes and Ferrari. :confused: The Kimi to Ferrari saga seems somewhat surrealistic to me. Next year it will be very real. May the forza be with him! :angel:

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Raikkonen returned to Maranello yesterday for a seat fitting and a meeting with team principal Stefano Domenicali. Despite still being under contract with Lotus, it is thought that Raikkonen has been given permission to meet with the team in order to ensure that he has no problems fitting into the newly-designed 2014 car.

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Nice little send-off for Felipe.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/11/10/f ... -mondiali/
Good luck my man!

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

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Originally Posted by jens

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I too think Felipe is unfairly criticised. I mean he has raced for Ferrari for 8 seasons and all but won a title and has beaten Alonso at times in Quali this year.

He has had Schumi, Kimi and Fernando as team mates which most drivers would struggle with. Have many drivers had 3 such top level team mates?

I too hope he gets a drive next season somewhere to have some fun and race hard without being in Alonso's shadow.

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I think the Massa criticism has been justified to an extent at least. Yes, he qualifies and starts well, but the problem is that he basically always fades in the race. Look at Abu Dhabi. He was doing fine for half a race, then suddenly Alonso started lapping 1 second per lap faster. In India Massa finished fourth, but as we know, he was holding other drivers up (notably Mercedes) and I believe Alonso would have finished on the podium in his position.

I can't remember the last time Massa had a spectacular race pace for the whole race, not just the opening phase. Hopefully Räikkönen can offer more on that front next year, even if his qualifying isn't spectacular.

Rumours say Massa could be at Williams next year. If Williams with new Mercedes' engines could rejuvenate and again get close to the team's 2012 form, then Massa could provide some action. But I again suspect this "action" will be mainly about qualifying and the first half of the race before the drops off.

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Don't you think though that Massa has been unfortunate that he has had Schumi, Kimi and Alonso as his teammates at Ferrari. I mean most drivers in the last 10 years would lose out to those three.

He did nearly win a title in 2008, so he is a decent driver really. Just not one of the best.

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Well yes and no. Yes cause he was up against the best and no because he got to learn from the best and watch how they did it :)