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Hirvonen have pulled out from Midnattsolsrallyt due to sponsor commitments.
I appear to have stumbled on the wrong forum here.
I'll get my coat.
indeed... back to news and rumours.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Yes many post do not belong in this thread, some posts have now been moved toQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...-pub-talk.html
i have to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
although he is the best rally driver in the world, he never allowed any of his teammates to beat him in a fair fight. and if someone did managed to get the same support from the team, he visited the big boss to have him kicked out.
I tell you a secret ;) Probably Novikov will run Fiesta WRC all 13 rounds THIS YEAR! :) But in 2013 - who knows? Evgeny now is a very interesting driver for all teams...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
are you serious ?? you have some evidence to prove those allegations ??Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Who was able to beat Loeb and he wasn't allowed to ???? And who did not get equal support as him ???
How do you know such things ???
How do you know they are not true?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I see the nutty kids have escaped from the asylum again.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I see some involvement in Russian championship with VW, could this reflect in WRC too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
In "Silk Way" rally raid 3rd day Tony Gardemeister (3rd overall) crashedand retired. After the crash he complains about his back and was taken to hospital.
P.S. Sorry for offtopic
where he was 3rd overall ???
If i say that i know Loeb sleeps upside down with 10 monkeys on his head I will have to prove it...not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
Wake up or change sport...
When someone claims something like that he will have to back up his words.
In rally-raid "Silk Way 2012" before retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Good news! Interesting driver for all teams except for Citroen I think. So either Ford or VW for next year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
Kris Meeke is to get his first competitive outing in a WRC Mini this year,well its the Lurgan Park Rally and its in Derek McGeehans Mini WRC
Nice to hear! Sad story this meeke/prodrive thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinto
UK press reporting today that there is a Citroen board meeting tomorow (thursday 12/7) and on the agenda is whether Citroen Racing continue with the WRC in 2013. Amongst things being quoted are car sales in France / Spain and Italy, (traditionally strong markets for PSA) are very weak. Also rumoured redundancies in the company and a strong denial that PSA need a 'bail out' from French Government. Plus added speculation about Seb Loeb, with hints that if Citroen and Loeb do stay in 2013 that Loeb has a reduced programme to allow him to pursue other interests.
It's hardly a surprise is it? The warning signs were there when Peugeot pulled the plug on their Sportscar programme, the speculation then was how long did the Citroen WRC team have left? It doesn't go down too well when redundancies are handed out, and there is a Motorsport programme in operation. Peugeot were left the choice to quit now and develop a car for a few years time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
It is probably a surprise at some level. While Peugeot didn't do well in Le Mans, it was normal to leave at some point and cut this expensive program. On the other hand looks like the WRC promoting doesn't work really well for Citroen, which is strange despite all their titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Surprise for everyone awaited a strong competition next year between Citroen and VW (and Ford). I don´t think Loeb will be happy with such decision...
Obviously the titles dont have big value. And even the die-hard fanatics get overfed with these wins. Citroen should go to other motorsport disciplines and try to win there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If you think that a 9 times world champion will follow the WRC in a limited program you must be brain dead... Loeb will either retire for good or stay for a whole year more...
UK press can say all they want to feed their inferiority complexes...
Bye, bye Citreon...Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Citroen will do anything to sell cars, those stupid suggestions about teams and drivers that should do things to prove themselves should stop... NONE will ever do that and none ever did that... would you quit your job and do something else just to prove yourself ??Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
They only won Le Mans once in 2009, but won virtually every other race, beating Audi convincingly. They were favourites to win this years WEC...before the pull out.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
it is my belief that both duval, sordo and ogier could beat loeb purely on speed. perhaps not for a whole season, but definitely on individual rally's.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
for now we only have the statements of his former teammate duval and the (to me) pretty clear stage-times sordo have set with both his citroen and now with the mini. as long as he does not
retire from professional driving we will probably not learn more about the situation in the citroen-team, but that's only a matter of time.
and of course we all know what happened to ogier when he got equal support from the team and was trying to beat loeb. those events on their own are (again, to me) are the absolute proof that loeb's teammates have only 2 options. let loeb win, of find another team.
Le Mans is unfinished business....You will see him taking part in the future, as well as other Sportscar races.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Loeb said some time ago that he would like to do some rally's that he likes even if he retires, like Monte Carlo or France. I think that's not a problem for him since he can easily put together a number of sponsors, or even sponsor himself (altough very unlikely).
If Citroen jumps ship, there's a handfull of drivers who suddently see themselves in problems. Hirvonnen, Neuville will have to start too look for something else, since I dont think Peugeot will be back that soon.
Le Mans is unfinished business....You will see him taking part in the future, as well as other Sportscar races.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If Citroen leaves this year it will be a bad taste after that, because they didn´t dare to challenge VW in 2013.
That´s why I think they´ll stay for at least next year. Maybe in 2014 it will be a swap to Peugeot in PSA group.
Perhaps Citroen predict the same with VW in WRC, they have to win, but won't. But I think this would be shame if they leave, would like to see proper fight between these teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Loeb could (and will) do some rallies in the future like most of retired rally drivers do - just for fun. But I doub't he would agree on "limited program" like Sordo is this year for example. If he would do Rallies next year, that would be when he decides and what he likes. Looks like we have to sorry for Hirvonen though, he really hoped Citroen is his future probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Perhaps it has nothing to do with competitors. Citroen came to WRC from zero and beet all other manus, some of them with large experience. PSA finance situation is terrible and when there's a risk of closing factories and send home 5 or 10 thousand workers there's obviously an obligation to put sport programmes in perspective. Let's hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well, that is probably just one more reason to pull out in tough times. May be PSA is in big crisis, I don't know, but if this is true, then it is normal to concentrate on more critical parts of the business and cut some (big) expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arganil
As usually these words were attacked by the usual fanatic Loeb forum members. Then the british press show the naked true about 2013 and suddenly the Loeb kids are quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
And voilá! One more time Loeb don't have to handle true competition, Citroen retires. There's always one way to avoid things :D
Angrisani-Polliccino at the start of the Rally Italia-Sardegna e RACC Catalunya, on a Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X by Vomero Racing
So you are really suggesting the reason for Citroen retiring is Loeb doesn't have to face Ogier? You can't be serious...Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Maybe you are saying this just to annoy NOT :D
BBC News - Peugeot Citroen plans 8,000 job cuts
Business news re PSA economic situation.
PSA are in recession from several years, they've made several other cuts. They kept participating in WRC only because the win was certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by igi