If I get you right, drivers in F1, donīt need more free time then, according to how you reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
So to sum up what do you want for changes then?
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If I get you right, drivers in F1, donīt need more free time then, according to how you reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
So to sum up what do you want for changes then?
Rallies today are still long for the drivers. Recce starts Tuesday AM, the mandatory dinner on Sunday PM, including travel makes a 7/8 day working week for each rally. Add another day or two's stages it gets worse. But I don't think the drivers win if they want shorter working days AND fewer days.
It is much worse. Because you must add also pre-event tests. And recce sometimes starts also on Monday, so you need to be there with one day advance to make recce registration... It is easier for manufacture drivers who has lot of people around them, but more difficult for others...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
OK, so a 2― day rally needs 7 or 8 days. If you shorten the rally to 1― days it will still need 6 or 7 days. If the drivers want more time off then the WRC needs to have fewer events. The same applies to F1, taking a day off each event doesn't make that much difference they'll only get more free time by reducing the number of races.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Why? A ordinary man have to be at work for 40 hrs a week, at least. Many work nightshifts. Earning just scraps compared to professional rallydrivers. And you think (I believe not the drivers though) the are too busy and feel sorry for the guys?
If you get 1- 5 million Euros a year, and maybe more, working "hard" for the money isnīt an issue. Shouldnīt be.
Well, our discussion on the subject "working hours - do we like them or not" leads nowhere, so letīs go back to the topic WRC 2027, and sum up some of us are not fooled by the whingeing of the drivers or old fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
ARA will have this class, they say its 135k for "faster than a rally2 car"... wtf
https://dirtfish.com/rally/ara/stryk...o-ara-in-2026/
3cyl rotax turbo engine
thats really awesome tbf haha love to see ""UTVs"" in rally - since "modern cars" are all boring hybrid SUVS now =P
That wouldn't surprise me to see it in a 'rally racing' series, but won't ever be in WRC or European rallying. Can't imagine it on a tarmac stage and even the photos lack a codriver. But good luck to them, always nice to see human doings.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Just take a look at the meaning of the word "rally". Hint: Rallye Monte Carlo.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Lmao... Does your work week also include more than a week long trips abroad where you work 24/7? And intensive work outs, testing, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
And the drivers aren't the only ones working there. And the rest works for so less money.
Would you rather prefer if top drivers were retiring?
24/7?
Wasnīt it drivers we talked about?
To be honest, if a driver think its not worth it, he is finished.
A offshore (oil) worker in norway works 2 or 3 weeks, 12h shifts, home for 2 weeks. They earns quite good money, its close to the same amount of work.
A good friend played in a famous rockband, they was on tour i 6 months, just 1 week home in the middle.
A collegue at work was trainer for brasil WC team in alpin, he was away from family 250 days last season.
Or, start a new business from scratch with little money, you even can work enormous amount of hours without to get paid.
Yes, its lots of hours on tour, but if you follow your dreams and ending up having a good salary, i dont feel sorry. Step aside and let a more hungry driver try your seat if you feel need for more vacation.
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'To gather together; at an agreed place or behind a cause'Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Using your words I was only laughing at how we went off topic again so quickly.
I donīt know your age, but RMC back in the 50īs and 60ī, started from lots of cities in Europe and did liason all the way to MC. It took maybe almost a week for transportation... on winther roads, as it was back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Thatīs the heritage. And itīs been changes since, of course, but donīt say we need shorter two days rallies in WRC.
Rally always had an endurance element.
And I remember the (mainly Scandinavian) drivers moaning about long days, night stages, lack of sleep and it being dangerous way back in the 80's on the RAC Rally.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Think of the 'lower ranks' who have to do so much more themselves with none of the financial rewards the Rally1 stars.
i think trying to find a balance is a good point. when we think about the past, about format, heritage is all true. but we have to take into account that things were different, and sport has evolved in professionalism and duties. things like constant fit training and media/corporate/sponsor duties didn't existed so much back then, we had the romantic memories as drivers smoking in the car while driving, but now? we have driver training with marathon or mountain bike and do healthy diet.
we have to take into account that needs are different. i quite agree with the "dream work" point, and i'm not for reducing event days or events at all, but maybe is possible to reduce/redistribute work hours/shift (especially for mechanics and non-top team members). maybe they can also pack some near events (including tests) and have longer breaks during the season...
Yes, every single thing they from eating breakfast to having good sleep they do so they can do the best performance. So yes, they are working 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Even football players then. Having three matches a week often...-Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Fascinating analysis of the rollcage/safety cell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9acQWjjL4
Like every other top athlete. Still no sympathy. They doing theire dream and get good paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Its 2000 rallydrivers last 20 years that would give everything to make a swap.
Its like every other job, when you are finished in one, change.
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Peter Thul (WRC Promoter) says WRC27 will go to ERC and national championships as soon as 2028/29 and FIA are actively discussing timelines https://youtu.be/vrojMnqI2iw?t=1185
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1CAvQ3q1ow/ Subaru coming?
Some rumours says so, january 9th.2026 we get some news, maybe just in the US, hopefully the rumoured Petter Solberg Subaru WRT from 2027.Quote:
Originally Posted by drive
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I believe drivers were mostly complaining about too long liaisons, sometimes having to drive hundreds of kilometers just to do one or a few stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
One of the most ridiculous examples was ypres 2021. On sunday, they had parc ferme out at 4.50, having to drive 300km of liaison. Just to do 40km of stages from 8.30 to 12.30.
They should have stages closer together, so they can start later and end earlier.
It's not just drivers who would befefit from that. Also fans, who want to see more stages live. The camera crew, support, media, key people... It's umderstandable that the hosting country wants to action get through as many places they can, but basically liasion doesn't give any real benefit to the events at all, except abnormal time restrictions and schedules.. I see only benefit reducing that for many involving aspects.
Regarding Subaru. I think it's only some sort of motorsport activity or announcement for new STI models, since the car on the video have too much revelance to regular car. Rally cars usually isn't that much comforty and too regular. Their knobs and sticks usually looks like some sort home build and nothing like you would see in some normal cars.
I expect January 9th will pass without even a comment on what actually was announced. As usual it's the false hope that is the story.
Is the correct name for this generation Rally1 2027?
what would have happened to the World rally championchip if the new rally1 was todays rally2 car, and rally3 had taken the role as top car for all other championchips international and national series?
WRC would die. Then there will be 2000 otherwise useless existing Rally2s hitting the non-ASN championships making them more appealing than the national championships, so they also die. Will the ASNs allow it? No, so the owners and fans find a new sporting format outside the ASNs' authority. Internationally, in best case scenario, a Rally2 type championship is made available, but it kills off Rally3 ERC and regionals. Would the FIA permit it? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordini
So the FIA and ASN's would lose their sport and what's left becomes a historics/tuners sport but not as anybody knows it because not only are not enough new base production cars being made, there's no real stability or the incentive to produce rally variants.
Will the new WRC27 Cars be eligible for National championships seeing as they'll be on a par with the old Rally2's ? This could help Manufacturers and Tuners to sell more cars and encourage them.
They said that their goal is to bring to national level too.
from 28 on, i read somewhere
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Originally Posted by WRCStan
I think it was their Launch control series coming back and nothing else.
They announced a wrx sti for super taiku championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTMlEQnTLzg&t=89s
I can't believe that people can still get mad because something they made up in their head isn't happening lmao.
They also announced that they'll introduce new or upgraded car for Japanese rally championship.
Decoding the WRC27 with Lionel Hansen (of Prospeed Rally One)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-HMEQAfX04
Much to hear from the horse's mouth.
More than 10 tuners show interest in WRC 2027 rules...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/m...ules/10792917/
But attracting Manufacturers will take work and a new Promoter to show there's a return on investment.
Words for the new promoter maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Manufacturers are not coming, move on Malcolm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Surely they will not come, even those who are here didn't comit it yet, if ever. Nobody knows if even Toyota will, as it is expected they will. Who knows, maybe Toyoda will change strategy and leave for F1 fully (I know, the worst scenario, and probably the one who would kill WRC instantly).
And also nobody wants to be first, right. Maybe at some point they will start to show interest and will come, take over maybe tuners work. But only if return of investment will be worth it, but we really don't believe that will ever happen, right? I'm even sceptical with this so-called new promoter, that it will be any different. WRC lost whole motivation a very long time ago and it would need to take a miracles to bring it back as it was. Also this current promotor is here to make business, and what would new do? Also making business.