this object above the wheel must be a broken disc brake
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnEeFvLX...pg&name=medium
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this object above the wheel must be a broken disc brake
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnEeFvLX...pg&name=medium
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hopefully next year...
Ok. I´m satisfied with the answer. Quote coming from thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
yeah and especially example with russia is not most hypocritical to defense agresion to compare with other wars :D
Well, could have been worse for Tanak.
As we could see last year, we can be worried about the reliability of this Fiesta. But he did it to the end and cut by half the points lost to Rovanpera and Neuville in Monte compared with last year (and both did better than last year).
Anyway, for Tanak, the question is to survive until Croatia (included) by limiting the loss in the championship to the very minimum and get used to the car.
If he succeeds to do so (let’s say being in the 10-20 point range below the championship leader after Croatia), the true championship will begin with the series of 7 consecutive gravel rallies from Portugal to Chile.
As far as I know he was driving pumaQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
https://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000009343501.html
And once again.. finnish specialists can't get around Tanak..
Maybe make an article about Lappi? Days behind the pace of most WRC drivers with a car that finished 3rd..
That guy who wrote this article propably only watched stage times. Total BS.
Seems like the hurt is too big for some of the finns and they can't just let it go
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Gryazin penalized in 5s after PH Sport protest.
Well, clearly a vengeance for Mikkelsen-Toksport protest in Ypres (not the same team but a Citroen-backed driver) ... with much bigger consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
However, I don’t like that administrative stuff increasing... should be a discussion between all the RC2 teams to stop this.
Yes, penalty for corner cutting. Citroën has its revench for the Ypres saga...
Rossel wins WRC2!
Except penalty for Lefebvre didn't change any results.
Edit: Also as you may recall the penalty party started on Monte 2021 vs Toksport.
Yeah... it’s why I said «*with much bigger consequence*»Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I clearly think Toksport and PH Sport must discuss to stop this game.
I think it's this corner.
It's on SS14 when he had a puncture...
Edit: I was wrong :)
Nothing new in Monte! They got French driver to win with the French car after all.
plus a russian did not win... so the baltic/polish spergs can stop frothing from the mouth... double win.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
FIA has repeatedly said that you can't have 4 wheels off and penalized for it before as well.
That means the rules are clear and it should be easy not to violate them.
Except that the Stewards who decided that where an Italian, a Belgian and a Frenchman.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Often we complain that the FIA isn't consistent in their decisions. This is exactly the same punishment als for Lefebvre in Ypres so nothing to say about that. It's not a factor if the classification changes with that or not.
what was the penalty for Lefebvre in Ypres?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnGNFwTW...jpg&name=large
Gryazin's cut
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkkGHFAd...yEt06TohEBDYhW
5sec for the first infringement, 10sec for the 2nd one iirc.
No, it's a triple win for us. Clearly, you also feel sad and lost with this as your bedroom poster boy was cut from the win, so yeah, I can sleep extra well tonight. Nighty-night!Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
WHY LOUBET RETIRED FOR A SECOND TIME
A WATER PUMP FAILURE COUPLED WITH A FUEL ISSUE MEANT HE COULDN'T COMPLETE SUNDAY'S STAGES
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-l...a-second-time/
I forgot the aspies from britain in my list... sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Can we please stop the off topic posts, if you know what I mean. I come here to talk/read about rally. Take it to some other section of the forum or twitter.
what a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
i am almost sure that all cars passed from same line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Why? The rules and regulations and precedents are clear. If it was a joke then the protest wouldn’t have succeeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
But how many others submitted a protest?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Well, Gryazin was on the podium I suppose and congratulated as the winner in the afternoon before the decision so it changes nothing in terms of PR, clearly not that point that could have had an impact on the judgement (and the claim was made later in the afternoon as evoked in the summary and probably wouldn’t have been made if the gap was bigger at the end of the rally).
Personally, I think the stewards had no other choice than accepting the request considering what happened in Ypres (all the more than the defender in Monte was the protester in Ypres if we think in terms of team).
Well, Toksport have paid to learn that when you open that type of dirty move (even if they were maybe pushed by Mikkelsen), it can backlash on you.
But the game is totally faked because if Gryazin had taken the penalty earlier in the rally (Saturday by night or Sunday in the morning), he would probably have pushed further on the last stages and I think he would have won.
Toksport have begun the dirty game, Citroen has taken its vengeance; let’s hope now that they will agree to stop this dumb game.
I hope so too, but past experience shows these things often escalate to the detriment of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
the rule is plain retarded... but to take advantage of it is a bit of alow blow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
how many seconds for this then ?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GxuyHq-kWVU
Well, what’s the point of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Maybe the rule needs some adaptation (however, it is still needed to avoid some specific cases) but the main issue is that competitors should respect the spirit of the rule by not making protests just because the gaps are close. And your video proves what is to respect the spirit of the rule (nobody puts a claim for this).
Issue is Toksport has opened in last Ypres a very dangerous process and Citroën Racing supported-team wanted to remind they can play this game also. Both moves were dumb and dirty, let’s hope now that they will stop this shit after this now that everyone knows the other one can reply.
Ypres stewards has a responsibility in this, they should have refused Toksport’s claim because it opens a very bad breach.
And in the last point of stewards’ decision, it is written «*following the precedents for the same offenses*»: well, pretty obvious way to refer to Ypres 2022 IMO.
Of all the people you Grigorii are talking about low blows hehe funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by NOT
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This started in Monte 2021 against Toksport, check how long the penalty list was then:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
https://www.ewrc-results.com/penalty...te-carlo-2021/
It all depends on the road book, if a certain corner, and a certain route through this corner is shown on diagrams than its all clear, if not you can get from A to B preaty much freestyle ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
This situation shows - again - that the rules require amendment.
Crews should not be getting penalties for taking a line that is possible to drive. We are talking about rallying, not circuit racing. The idea of 'track limits', or that there should be a limit to how much of a cut may be taken, is bogus in this sport.
If the FIA or organisers want to restrict the lines which may be taken, they should place anti-cut devices or define what they consider to be the limit of the roadway. It should never, ever be open to interpretation. Anything not defined, either in the road book or by obstacles / markings put by the organisers, should be fair game - opportunities for switched-on crews to make an advantage.
Otherwise, we're applying a circuit-racing style rule in an environment nothing like a race circuit - what's the point of that?