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You guys are talking as if the Impreza was a really unsuccessful car.
As far as I am aware, it won a few rallies.
Yes, the Evo is supposedly the better road car, but there has only been one driver capable of winning a world championship in it, whereas three different drivers managed it with the Subaru, so it can't be that bad!
No, we are just saying that this symmetrical AWD layout is not some sort of wonder despite Subaru advertising it like that.
It is what it is. As an every day road car it feels well balanced enough, is very neutral to drive, is capable of getting from a to b very quickly, and more importantly for a lot of people, is very easy to drive. I've no problem for my 19 year old to drive it as it is really not a difficult car to get on with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
As for Subaru talking up the benefits of their system, well they have always traded on their use of awd, there is no harm in trying to sell their product. It's not as if people have been lied to, nobody has died, it's not like vw or countless other manufacturers and their dieselgate scandals.
At the end of the day, it is a symmetrical system. The prop is central, the drive shafts are equal length, the engine and gearbox are longitudinal and the engine is a flat four with boxer firing order, so is more symetrical than most. Whether you can argue if this is a benefit or not, I don't think it is in doubt that they are a capable road and rally car, so something works.
My experience with both street Evo's (4,8 and 9) and STI's is that EVO is much better in handling, more precise on turns, better front grip (less understeer compared to STI) and overall a better, more efficient and very stable car. STI is more fun though as on gravel you have to throw it more sideways while EVO just turns and goes. Couldn't believe how much grip I had with street car on street tyres when driving an EVO on gravel though. On icy lakes STI's were no match to the EVO's no matter who drove them. And I'm talking about purely street cars.
Even the spam bot is bored of the Subaru/Toyota talk...
yeap i read,and you compare a scubi with an audi to prove that ''its not heavy nose''Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
when you compare it with the true rival,its heavy nose.
Ott and Latvala today in Circuito do Estoril in promotion movie.
nobody said that except you.We just said that the symmetrical driveshafts and the longitudinal position of engine is not a advantage,but a disadvantage at this car.All these because of boxer engine,that couldnt positioned different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
WTF has any of this to do with Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT ???
Someone mentioned the new Toyota Yaris GR4 will use a Subaru awd system, I said it won't, the next Subaru will likely use the system on the Toyota, then a shitstorm about the benefits of blah blah blah. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELb0EO1W...pg&name=mediumQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Again TGR car with Finnish reg-plate.
That is demo car.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
No, it´s chassis #2, Takamoto Katsuta did his rallies with it. (SP1002 Estonia plates)Quote:
Originally Posted by reff92
2nd unit with Finnish plates in this autumn and both have/had Estonian plates also.
Toyota Gazoo Racing technical director Tom Fowler told Autosport he's comfortable with the level of technical knowledge Tanak has taken with him from Toyota to Hyundai regarding the 2020 car.
"We don't have a huge amount of work coming with the car for early next season," said Fowler.
"Ott will know we have focused on some weight saving, but he doesn't know the areas - which are deep within the car - where we've been working.
"The only other [homologation] joker we're playing is on gear ratios, which is designed to deal with the torque from the engine and extend the life of the gearboxes.
"We're not concerned about what Ott knows about our car."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...lle-at-hyundai
If there were any doubt, it's definitely a 3 door. If nothing else, that allows the GR-4 to serve as a legitimate homologation special: https://twitter.com/ToyotaUK/status/1204672367013900289Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELfbHwBXkAAFwQg.jpg
Looks great, can't wait to see the R5/WRC.
Without camouflage...
https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.ne...7_161731wm.jpg
Wheels Magazine from Australia scooped the GR-4; more pics and a small video on their site: https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/exc...oyota-gr-yaris
Micra and Veloster made a baby with wide hips and Toyo logo :D
When FIA forces the rules about rear wing size relative to the road car version, Toyota reacts by making a different road car :)
That bck body kit is really ugly. But the car itself looks better than previous version
Previous version ?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Hybrid was most powerful old generation Yaris
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
https://www.toyota-europe.com/new-cars/yaris-grmn
My mistake, totally forgot GRMN :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobJones
säger du det? Det är stoli underli...Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Same PN left and righ for the CV inner, outer and the shaft itself..
There is a difference in 4x4 V6 length and Escort Cosworth length...not 100% but 12-17mm..
And at SOME point the length of splines on the inner drive stubb shaft was made longer and a circlip groove was cut for a C clip...
So same lengths....sorry.
I do know my own car..The spline dia and form (a 45* Pressure angle or "PA") on the front diff is exactly the same as my Saab 96 spline (1969 and later) and also same as old MkIII FWD Fiesta turbo....this led to hatching plots to machine up a case for using some of the spare guts to my V4 LSD (which itself is a new case and spline for a GKN made MkI/MkII "English" Escort diff.) and presto a nice clutch plate front diff for the 4x4>>
A Fiesta turbo VC diff was acquired in case the same idea could be applied to that..
I do know my cars...and I don't just 'service them' I build and machine parts for them, too.
And 100s of other rally cars too.
Interesting little tidbit from
Sorry with good diff set tight its a great 2 wheel drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
My daily 245...that's a different story...
3 words about weight and Subaru's handling problems:Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Polar Moment of Intertia...
(look I love MY north/south mighty V4 9especially the fact that my V4 crankshaft if vastly stronger than the EJ series Subie cranks, and my rods are better too...and I have forged pistons while 99% of Subies have cheap cast....but there are solid internal engine design problems and layout of engine which become impossible for Subarus to work well against traverse engines--usually leaned rearward--, narrow 85 or 86mm bore 2,0 liter engines like the rest of the whole world (except YB but that was replaced in the Foucus with eventually Duratec..which stock bore was 87.5mm but which Ford homologated it at 85mm bore (and corrected stroke to make it 1998cc) And why they did that is established. Why ALL the WRC motors did it...
4WD Toyota GR Yaris hot hatch prototype early review:
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/amp/ca...oyota/gr-yaris
This review states:
"The motivation behind using a three-cylinder engine is once again homologation, this time for the R5 class. From 2020, R5 cars will be powered by three-cylinder engines, and now Toyota has the perfect unit handy.
https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/yaris/2...rototype-drive
I think this car is mega. Powerful, small, light, four-wheel-drive. Reminds me of homologation specials. Well done Toyota for having the guts to produce something like this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Bet it isn't cheap!
According Rich Millener is FAKE NEWS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yep, I think they meant the new R5 ie the old R1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Meeke on Toyota duties for the GR Yaris, had a race against Alonso. Alonso went off (Instagram story) https://www.instagram.com/krismeeke/
can you post the exactly link,dont have instagram,and after some seconds blocking me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobJones
Sorry, it's a 'Story' and not a 'Post' so not sure I can link to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But Meeke's in the full Toyota gear and they are giving journalists hot laps around Estoril. Alonso out-brakes Meeke but goes off into the gravel. Funny clip.
The main thing for me is that the marketing for the road car is tied around the WRC. But, they have a new driver line-up for 2020. All a bit awkward. The WRC drivers were supposed to have had a hand in the development of the car. I believe there are marketing videos in the can with Tanak driving it.
But now it's been switched to Lopez, Alonso and Meeke. Which suggests to me that Meeke may still be involved with Toyota in some way (road car and R5?) for 2020.
Yes there are clips on YouTube with Meeke, Latvala and Tanak driving the Yaris GR and giving their impressions, albeit quite brief. Also some of Meeke driving the Fuji racetrack in a GR Supra with Tommi riding shotgun that is a little longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobJones
It's now 2020 and Meeke is an invited guest of Toyota for the Dakar. Toyota's making use of that pre-Ogier signed deal...Quote:
Originally Posted by BobJones
I believe the Dakar program does not have connections to the WRC contracts. Meeke had a one-year contract which is now officially over.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobJones
However, it's highly possible that Meeke considers doing Dakar since he does not have a WRC deal.
Meeke and Dakar is the worst possible combination. For Dakar you need a driver that drives safely at high speed over long distances. Meeke generally either drives extremely fast and not very safe or slow. Something like rallycross would seem to fit his nature much more.
I think so too. The TGR WRC drivers have contracts with TMR (I think), not directly with Toyota or any of its departments/units.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Stfu.. aye slow..Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
He finished the Baja 1000