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Originally Posted by Mirek
Around 20 people died last year alone in rallying. Large majority on asphalt. While the development of tyres and suspension which is irreversible makes them looking calmer and cleaner they actually go much faster than in the past. That plays a big role in the number of fatal accidents in recent years - cars behave and look calm and the coming crisis is very hard to estimate, for spectators it is often impossible. That's why they are moved farther from the road. I don't like that either as a spectator but You must understand that large part of spectators don't think about safety at all. Look at this year's WRC Germany. The two hit spectators fortunately survived but judging from the images there were dozens of potential grave situations on every stage. If You think that the sport can afford few dead people from time to time You are welcome to have a look on out national scene where people connected to rallying are now considered public enemies by a reasonable part of population and where some politicians took ban of rallying into their agenda.
Anyway in my opinion the cars look calm and "slow" only in really slow technical places. If You have some sense of speed You must see how crazy fast the cars are in the hi-speed sections. The difference is huge even compared to five years old cars, not speaking about older ones.
You don't need to lecture me about danger or stupid people on stages.I wasn't talking about safety as it is no brainer, I have that privilege I can watch rallies live and can compare different events across Europe. There is nothing more frustrating when you need to walk for miles if you don't really need to, just to find out you are catlled with others by straight stretch of the road with lots obstacles in a view. Then you realize that 100 m down the meadow there is better, safer and most of all more interesting spot with great view and no one knows why you are not allowed to go there, the answer is "because not".
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The spectacle in modern asphalt events is all about experience. It's really much harder to find nice places but they do exist - it just requires quite a lot of effort or experience to find them. For me it's part of what I love on rallies - to find Your own brilliant spot :)
This applies to all events. If you want to ruin the event for yourself, don't do your homework. But if you want the best experience, take an extra day or two off, drive through the stages and find what you prefer. Stages bear a heritage and it's good to get to know that.
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Originally Posted by Bartek
http://instagram.com/p/fI-TDWFbwt/ Woman in background is Seb wife?
yep!
very emotional video,has the moment with his wife Severine.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15mop ... ?start=140
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Uk TV highlights are on ITV4 tomorrow at 6pm :)
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Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm sorry but in my opinion that is impossible. You can't reverse tyre and suspension development. The world moves on and You can not start to produce 20 years old tyre compounds or dampers worse than average stock ones.
You don't have to reverse development. Just put some restriction on the tyre width, increase the percentage of grooves and force the manufacturers to use harder compounds by decreasing the number of available tyres per event. These, together with the decreasing of car width would be more than enough for increasing spectacle and decreasing speeds, now that no electronic diffs are allowed.
I can see the effect of these simple modifications in my car. When I decrease the car width just by 30 mm and put semislicks like Toyo R1R instead of my normal Dunlops CR311 or Michelins N00, the car becomes slower of course, but it is much more forgiving, with much more tendency to slide longer and easier and the spectacle is many times better. Besides, the decreasing of speeds decreases the energy of an impact.
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Originally Posted by scn
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Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm sorry but in my opinion that is impossible. You can't reverse tyre and suspension development. The world moves on and You can not start to produce 20 years old tyre compounds or dampers worse than average stock ones.
You don't have to reverse development. Just put some restriction on the tyre width, increase the percentage of grooves and force the manufacturers to use harder compounds by decreasing the number of available tyres per event. These, together with the decreasing of car width would be more than enough for increasing spectacle and decreasing speeds, now that no electronic diffs are allowed.
I can see the effect of these simple modifications in my car. When I decrease the car width just by 30 mm and put semislicks like Toyo R1R instead of my normal Dunlops CR311 or Michelins N00, the car becomes slower of course, but it is much more forgiving, with much more tendency to slide longer and easier and the spectacle is many times better. Besides, the decreasing of speeds decreases the energy of an impact.
imo the problem today is that cars are way to fine-tuned, which makes them extremely efficient.
in the group B en the early group A en WRC era, manufacturers could spend their money on improving engines or suspension or other major parts, which was the easiest way to make the car faster. by doing that, they had less money and time to set the car up so it would drive easy. this made them very fast, but also very difficult to drive, which made them spectacular.
nowadays almost nothing can be changed due to homologation rules, so cars can only be made faster by fine tuning them. they can spend all their efford on finding the ideal setup. even with narrower tyres and harder compounds, they will just drive slower but just as boring, because it is the most efficient way.
perhaps we could give them much more power, but short gearboxes so they become harder to control when searching for traction in acceleration but dont reach higher top-speeds.
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I think it is clear to see why Loeb retired at the end of last season. He knew that the time of easy victories, against almost no competition, was at an end.
of course it would be harder the guy is 39 years old... name someone who won a championship so easy at 38 against 25 and 30 year olds...
I think Ogier would be faster than him next year easily... you cannot beat time...
But ok i can understand your pain... its different from those Ogier fans... your pain comes from a certain driver who was hired by citroen as No1 and ended but jobless in the USA doing tricks like a monkey in stadiums..and all because of Loeb...
As i said all these years Loeb gave many people different reasons to hate him... let the pain go away... just let go...
When you try and face the truth...the truth will slap you like a 5 year old and take away your candy.
The Loeb Liebe runs strong in you...I can sense it.
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Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm sorry but in my opinion that is impossible. You can't reverse tyre and suspension development. The world moves on and You can not start to produce 20 years old tyre compounds or dampers worse than average stock ones.
I`m with Mirek on this one, now when the engineers and drivers have found that the fastest way to go is straight lines with very little sliding they will always try to get any new car to do that regardless of rules and they will succeed.
This is just simple evolution of engineering and won`t change regardless of rules unless they find something faster
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Originally Posted by rallyfun
You don't need to lecture me about danger or stupid people on stages.I wasn't talking about safety as it is no brainer, I have that privilege I can watch rallies live and can compare different events across Europe. There is nothing more frustrating when you need to walk for miles if you don't really need to, just to find out you are catlled with others by straight stretch of the road with lots obstacles in a view. Then you realize that 100 m down the meadow there is better, safer and most of all more interesting spot with great view and no one knows why you are not allowed to go there, the answer is "because not".
I don't know how it is in France but here such situations are usually caused by refusal of the owner of the meadow. All private property must be respected by the organizers here and if the owner says no, the place is restricted for spectators. Some organizers don't care but that later causes big damage when You ask for permission to run some stage and the argument against You is that You damage private property. I don't say it was like that with the place You refer to but from my experience it's often like that.
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Is the crew of car No 147 (Wagemans Joachim-Pattyn Diederik) ok after their crash? I have seen their car after SS13 and it looks a really bad side impact accident:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2840/1...fc01ac79e9.jpg
DSC_6923.jpg by Yiannis Christodoulou, on Flickr
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3822/1...ee5f586bbf.jpg
DSC_6925.jpg by Yiannis Christodoulou, on Flickr
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Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Is the crew of car No 147 (Wagemans Joachim-Pattyn Diederik) ok after their crash? I have seen their car after SS13 and it looks a really bad side impact accident:
Spoke to Wagemans on Sunday,, He is ok, (in a neck brace) Co driver was in hospital at the time, with bust ribs etc
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Sebastien Loeb - The Master - Au revoir! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH_0CVm4W5I
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Full version (78 min) of WRC TV highlights are now available on wrc.com/video/highlights/
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If you go from eWRC-results.com side, you see all photos:
http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=6541 ... lsace-2013
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little ignorant kids have questions the master teacher must answer them...
That being you? :eek: :laugh:
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I just read ogier's interview.He gives congratulations to his gravel crew.The gravel crew was the same with germany?i ask that because he blamed a little bit his gravel crew for his exit in germany.to my mind of course it was his mistake and not gravel crew's mistake(as i can judje from the in car).
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we need a high resolution images of the door.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWNxW3fIUAAcn0z.jpg:large
Did Seb get the other, left door?
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Just like to say that while I enjoyed my trip to France to see Loeb one last time, I certainly wouldn't go again to spectate. Can't wait to go where I want and see a lot more action on Wales Rally GB.
Biggest positive about France is that it was all free!
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Really looking forward to France this year
Keep a look out for the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance Fiesta R2.. any pics would be much appreciated
If anyone in service, come and say hello :)
Did anyone get any pictures ,, Only got to halfway on SS15 ;(
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Originally Posted by Mirek
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Originally Posted by rallyfun
I don't like that either as a spectator but You must understand that large part of spectators don't think about safety at all. Look at this year's WRC Germany. The two hit spectators fortunately survived but judging from the images there were dozens of potential grave situations on every stage.
Just saw that crash on Youtube, what a weird crash that was.
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Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
Just like to say that while I enjoyed my trip to France to see Loeb one last time, I certainly wouldn't go again to spectate.
Why you wouldnt go again?because of the restrictions to viewing points?give us some details.
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Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
nice spots! ;)
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outside camera from Loebs exit from road,We haven t see this one
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=627563447295835
