That is true, with all included,only insurance not....much cheaper than s2000...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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That is true, with all included,only insurance not....much cheaper than s2000...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
We are on the start and there is very high demand now. I guess it will go down with time and more cars on the market. Top S2000 on their peak were much more expensive to rent.
How much more? Just being curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...
You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/kmQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
40 000 will buy you a decent Gr N4 car!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdvEvo
In many national championships N4 will still be the volume car, until the price for an S2000, RRC and R5 cars will drop!
I'm afraid that in a gr.N car for 40 thousand everything must be completely worn and ready for major revision/rebuild. I would say 60 thousand is more realistic for a really good gr.N car but don't forget we are not in 2010 anymore. You can buy a modern S2000 for 100000 thousand now. Gr.N cars will stay largely popular for several more years but it looks like they are going to disappear sooner or later. There is hardly any new car coming after Evo X and current Impreza STi. Homologation of Evo IX ends next year, of N12 in 2015. Both may be prolonged though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
250 for Fabia? I think with BRR it could have been like that but with other teams like JM Racing etc. sure less. Now I guess it must be around 120-150 for S2000 but that's just my guessing. As far as I know the running costs for 207 and Fabia is cca same and that is 2-3x lower than for Mini or Fiesta RRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerra
Yes, it was few years back, not so many top Skoda's was available for rent, now its different, you can find 207 or Skoda with discount price, especially in Italy. Not to mention Fiat ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Those prices were sick....S2000 needs a major rebuild after 1.000 competitive km, that means that one team earned after five rallys enough money to buy another new car....and don't tell me that a rebuild itself costs 250t€...but as mirek & Jerra told; if there was a demand and no cars available, few lucky owners put a price in the 'sky'' and even got money....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerra
Brynildsen's ex car is in Cyprus now, for Cyprus Rally taking place in 10 days.
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Just in passing I am mentioning it here since there is no live MERC thread or sub-forum (i think it used to be one) that the stages for Cyprus Rally will be revised with such a short notice since organisers did not have permission to use some of the roads in the route.
it's hard to compare S2000 renting prices. those depend on many factors - car (brand, evolution, level of preparation), team (it's name/history, spare parts, engineer, etc), plus tires incl. or not, insurance, deposit or not, one event or few, tests or no, etc, etc.
but some time ago it was surely more expensive than it is now.
and surely S2000 cars need rebuilds more often than 1000kms, OK, engines and transmissions are often above 1k kms (but there was some evolution of 207 engine with only 600kms limit). But even if you do less than limit you often need to look inside the box to check after some "issues" during the rally, to change ratios for next event, etc, etc. Dampers usually needs rebuilds more often than 1k kms, brakes changing/rebuilding also more often. Plus rebuilds of crossmembers, arms, uprights, shafts and many, many other parts. Plus some body parts like bumpers, sills, etc are often damaged after very few kms.
So it's not that easy to earn money on renting S2000 cars, of course it is possible, but not that almost all the money which customer paid are left for you to put into your pocket.
viewtopic.php?f=112&t=156456 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Jan Cerny and Peugeot CZ aim 208 T16 for 2014 ???? :confused:
http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15724
This weeks MN reports that Honda will step up to R5 for 2015 together with JAS. They are not specifying model, but Jazz makes sense in their curremt pallette!
Peugeot and Citroen R5 cars homologation postponed till beginning of March 2014?
Nothing like that is stated in the article. It only mentions presence of 208 R5 (showcar) in Peugeot CZ/?erný service area. Anyway the target for ?erný sure is to drive 208 R5 in 2014 but I don't think it's confirmed in the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
What championship for Cerny?
I'm sure he would like to do ERC but realistically it's much easier to find funds for domestic one.
According to German rallye-Magazin.de yes. bad news for the first half or at least the first few rallies of ERC 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
It is not sure yet. There is lot of politics in it. I am sure that we will have one PSA R5 car on 1st January...Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
PSA will loose a large amount of contracts to Ford on their first of the R5 'twins', if it is not homologated by 1 jan 14.
For those nations that does not start their season before 1 mar or apr it might be ok, but not sure how many countries start that late.
For WRC 2 it is for sure too late, and I think PSA very much would like to compete in that championship!
As for WRC 2 that´s a big argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I can't imagine they would sacrifice Monte Carlo...
Its ok to start with an rrc, and then change to R5 when its ready?
But its (to?) expensive for privateers, i asume?
I am really curious about the performance of PSA R5 cars. It has to be really balls-smashing thing, because PSA cars need so long time. Really curious.
I don't think the PSA development time is that unusual, Skoda will be at least the same.
It just seems that way because Ford rushed their's.
Yes, I expect it too...but it means Fiesta R5 would be quite crap compared to future R5 cars...and it means future R5 cars would be one (or more) level above RRC cars...which is great...and that´s what I am curious about. :) And I am looking forward to see that.
Indeed, I expect a well developed car with a decent driver could be quite capable of mixing it in the top 10 of WRC events.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
Ogier did it with ease in a S2000, Kubica's doing it consistently in an RRC, and if R5 will be even quicker, then top five is within reach, granted the quality of the WRC field won't improve dramatically.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Ogier actually managed even the top 5 WRC finish in S2000 (+4,5 min to the WRC winner) but that's of course only one case :)
What are the normal service intervals for main parts for the different classes:
WRC
R5
S2000
N4
R3
It depends a lot on the car and it's evolution.
In case of S2000 each car had different limits for the engines, etc. Even same cars had different limits depending on engine evolution (Peugeot had once only 600kms on engine). In case of Fiesta S2000 engine has 1500kms, gearbox they say 2000kms, but anyway you need to open it more frequent to change ratios for upcoming event, so you do inspections more frequent. Damper rebuild 800kms, with inspection every 400kms. Many other parts you rebuild depending on their current condition, if you do a lot of testing then some parts which are above their limit you could use on tests, etc. Parts wear also heavily depends on conditions during the rally or tests, ie. if there is mud, rain, etc then all the bearings in uprights, arms, etc are heavily worn.
Is homologation on 208 T16 postponed officielle, from jan 1 to mar 1?
This years Barum Colin McRae Flat Out Trophy owner Miroslav Jakeš will drive Citroën DS3 R5 in Czech international championship and three selected Austrian events (however not Jänner as the team doesn't want to invest in gravel suspension for just one event).
Anyone that knows who's really working on R5's?
Skoda, Peugeot and Citroën is for shure, but any news on Opel, Toyota, Renault, Fiat or any other it has been some rumours around?
Opel admitted they work on R5 in an interview with their team boss some time a go. For Renault I think that R5 will come after R3T is finished. There were unofficial information about Honda/JAS working on R5 as well.
Thanks!
Is it any scedule or info on the Opel R5 (Adam or astra?)? They has already build an R1 (cup), is the R2 ready also?
The Honda/jas project is in italy isn't it? Same team as the wtcc Honda?
R3t engine is the same as R5?
About Opel I guess it's going to be Corsa, Adam is too small in my opinion. However it's just my guessing.
JAS is in Italy, right. They also developed Civic R3.
I don't know exact differences between R3T and R5 engine but it shall be similar. The main difference is sure 2 mm bigger restrictor for R5.
Hopefully both Opel and Honda shows something up not too long into 2014.
The civic R3 is quite good in R3, isn't it?
I guess these two will come only in 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
About Civic - I think that the car has great engine but it's reasonably heavier than R3C limit and also the rear axle is't the best for asphalt. I can't speak about gravel. We have a lot of guys from Estonia here and they have Civics there.