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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
A certain Scuderia paid Alain Prost his retainer for the 1992 season having sacked him for speaking out about the shambles that this team from Maranello had become in 1991.
I can't for the life of me remember this teams name, however.
Added to that, I think, but this is only from vague memory, that Williams kept Alain on a retainer for 1994, to prevent him from doing a Mansell (announcing his retirement then changing his mind to sign for another team).
Talking about teammates, without Montoyas half-arsed driving in the latter part of 2005, Kimi would be a two-time WDC now. You keep referring to money every time, I just hope you keep it up when Alonso doesn't win all the races next year, because if he doesn't, he is not worth the money it took from his Spanish bank & co to get him a seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
One less competitor, maybe they would pay out Vettel and Hamilton too if they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Who, other than you, was limiting the discussion of Mr. Monotone's relative worth to just his stint with Ferrari? I certainly wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Gary
Kimi did really well at McLaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
If not, why would McLaren try to get him back onboard?
Fernando is certainly good....but I don't expect him to repair all the damage overnight that took place under Kimi's half-arsed watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
You see, this isn't just about driving. It's about everything else a top class F1 driver should be....motivated, able to direct and lead, capable of focusing those around him....
In other words, everything Kimi Raikkonen failed at.
Oh, and do the maths on 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Haha, you blame Kimi for everything that went wrong in Ferrari... Hilarious!! That "damage-maker" at least got WDC for Ferrari. I thought that team bosses should lead and direct a team, engineers design and develop a car and drivers to DRIVE that car. At least your posts give me a good laugh every time I read them. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
2005 = Alonso 133pts. Raikkonen = 112pts.
Given that there were only 19 GP's, where did Montoya's lack of results lose Kimi the title?
And you evidently think a feckless couldn't-care attitude is acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Apparently no F1 team boss agree with you.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Well, every team boss wants Kimi and he only had to leave Ferrari because of certain Spanish bank. So...?
As for what I think? In F1 team there are so many employees to do different things. Driver is there to drive that car.
And did Schumacher, Prost, Senna, Lauda, Stewart, Fangio (and the rest of the true legends of the sport) sit back and let it all go tits-up around them?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
The true greats go beyond just doing what every driver does. They lead.
Forget job titles. The greats go beyond that.
Kimi didn't.
Whilst Ferrari's management post 06 has left a lot...a whole lot...to be desired, that is all the more reason why a great driver should have stepped up to the plate.
Plugging in and playing just isn't enough.
So who is he driving for in F1 next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Agree on that, which is why I never wanted him at the Scuderia in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Actually, imo, if it wasn't for Felipe's attitude, the place would be a real mess. It certainly would have been if Kimi's approach had seeped acrossed the garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Oh, that day will come.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
That's the thing with youth.....immature tastes wear off, to be replaced by wisdom and an appreciation of the finer things in life.
Häkkinen won two WDC's, nearly 3 and he certainly didn't seem to lead the team, just drove and let Ron handle rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I agree with you that Kimi should have been more of a leader at Ferrari, it didn't happen partly because of his personality but also IMO the culture Kimi's from and the culture at Ferrari are very very different, the idea of kicking somebody's butt to make sure things are done is probably as alien to Kim as it is to me.
Ferrari & Kimi were a match made in hell from the start. An extreme example of a silent Finn from a low context culture goes to a typical higher context culture and doesn't speak the language.
http://www.culture-at-work.com/highlow.html
Marcus Gronholm was paid just over half a million euros in 2007 (it was reported somewhere but I have no link atm). There is no real money in the WRC and never will be (compared to F1).
If Kimi ain't back to F1 in 2011 with redbull he will be back at another point when he needs financing like Lauda, and then he'll get out once he gets what he needs.
I lost a lot of respect for Kimi during the last few months. And I think the biggest issues with Kimi is his management.
Kimi is at fault when it comes to what happened at Ferrari. The car did not suit him - he should have fought for them building a car to suit him. If you are distant from your employers you will be overlooked for the promotion obviously, and you get sacked.
Since mid 2007 they shifted attention Massa didn't they? Until Kimi was within sight of the c'ship. In 2008, Massa was favored or at least the car favored him. Kimi should have been fuming and doing something about making the car suit him. Whatever was done was done too little too late.
In life, no one gives you anything on a silver platter. You can't always get what you want. You have to fight for everything. If you don't want to fight, ok, lay down and die.
Edit: The Ferrari people are also a bunch of idiots. They can't run a team well, they only did well in 2007 because of the people in Ferrari in 2006.
Aren't they hiring and sacking people because they are/aren't Italian?
And now they expect a deus ex machina from Alonso, it won't happen. He'll easily outpace Massa (and cry cheat when he can't) but Ferrari will slip deeper and deeper.
Then again Kimi did win the c'ship with them, so they don't have much to whine about considering the Fernando talks started in late 2007 after Kimi won the c'ship kinda proves that Ferrari are a bunch of idiots these days.
Fernando "Hail Mary" Alonso?
Opinions are like asshole, everyone's got one.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/011220...nen-years.html
"Fernando Alonso has been instantly accepted by his new Ferrari colleagues, it appears – with one quipping that ‘in two days he has seen more of the Maranello factory than others in two years’"
Pretty much sums it up.
If I picked up spanking new Fezza 458 plus full factory tour at Maranello, does that make me WDC?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/20...-the-belg.html
The prospect of Kimi Raikkonen returning to McLaren seems to be one of the more plausible outcomes of the driver market.
Many people at McLaren still love Raikkonen; in many ways he's the perfect McLaren driver.
For a team that grounds their engineering in pure mathematics and physics, to have an unemotional, repetitive - almost robotic - driver in the car is much easier than having a man who is inconsistent and variable.
You'll never be able to prove anything with an inconsistent driver, because you'll never know if what you're changing on the car is working.
McLaren engineers still talk with wonder about Raikkonen's consistent lap times. He was so good, they say, because he would come back to the pits, say what was wrong, they would fix it and he would go out and go faster. Simple.
Team boss Martin Whitmarsh, who values his engineers' opinions highly, wouldn't rule out employing Raikkonen again when asked on Saturday afternoon.
All in all, it's a shame. I don't know what his motivations are, and what they will be in a years time, but I hope he returns...and returns competitive.
At the moment, he's lacking any fight.
Shame.
Looks a little like Hakkinen in his last year with McLaren. Sad...
Hey Jefe, where you been? :D
The latest rumors have Räikkönen's new rally helmet spotted in the guys firm who paint his helmets, no word on Citroen logos. ;)
Apparently also spotted was a new Renault helmet for Kovalainen.
This is a weird situation, I don't understand why people at Ferrari (and some Ferrari-fans here) need to have these pokes against Kimi while Kimi has stayed loyal to them, I mean he still doesn't criticise them. Not ONE bad word about the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Because they all are hypocrites! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
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Originally Posted by DexDexter
Or because he has nothing to criticise them for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Yes, because I don't see where Ferrari let him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
They are paying him his salary for doing slightly less than he has done for the last 18 months, after he was beaten by his less well-renumerated team-mate on too many occasions, after he continued to fail to provide anything extra than just turning up and driving, after he apparently rarely visited the factory and after what is generally regarded as having lost his motivation, so I don't see what the feck he could complain about, personally.
I certainly wouldn't mind a $25million settlement from a team I'd not been bothered about improving.
Bye-bye F1, hello World Rally...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80423
Does stepping into the factory for a cup of coffee give a driver and extra 3tenths of a second in a race?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Two very interesting sentences in that article, notably...
and...Quote:
Raikkonen has made no secret of the fact that he is looking at a return to F1 in 2011 - with speculation already suggesting he is high on Red Bull Racing's list to partner Sebastian Vettel.
Hmmmmm... I wonder whom that is aimed at? Any suggestions?... ;)Quote:
"This has no prejudice at all for Kimi's further F1 career if he intends one," a source close to Red Bull told AUTOSPORT. "It does not mean at all that he will replace a current Red Bull F1 driver in our team from 2011."
Part of a drivers role, if he wants to get the best out of everyone who is working their butts off to provide him with a car to go racing with on a Sunday afternoon, is to work with them. Visiting the factory is a part of that IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
It might not give him an extra 3tenths, but then again it might encourage the team to work just that little bit harder for him.
That's probably true in Ferrari's case but my question is what kind of people need encouragement to work harder? I don't understand why professionals need to be hugged and kissed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I'll give you the example I always use.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
A few years ago in the BTCC James Thompson, through no fault of his own, wrecked his Vauxhall Astra in qualifying at Knockhill. I mean properly wrecked. I interviewed him and he was gutted that he wouldn't be on the grid come Sunday as he was in with a shout at the championship.
When I walked into the track the next day, there was his car. A bit bent, and held together in places with a lot of gaffer tape, but it was repaired and running. I spoke to some of his team who said they'd worked until around 3am fixing it.
I could totally understand and forgive them if they'd given up on it as a lost cause, but such was the respect for Thommo - universally considered in the team to be a good bloke - that the mechanics pulled out all the stops for him.
They're professionals, they've won enough championships to prove that point, but I can't help wondering if they'd have gone to all that trouble for every driver.
That was the sort of attitude the late Greg Moore brought to his teams. The first time I met him was at Mid Ohio long after all the other drivers were off in their hotels or motorhomes, I found Greg in the garage sitting cross legged on one of the tables. I leaned in and asked, why are you still here? His response was my guys are working on the car so I felt my place was to be here with them even if nothing more than to hand them the occasional wrench. That spoke VOLUMES to his commitment to the folks committed to supporting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Gary
Man Moore was a class act. Sorely missed.
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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Amen, my friend, amen. He was so classy on so many levels. His interaction with his fans was so REAL and genuine. Not just the casual smile and hello, he actually listened to what folks said and responded in a one-to-one fashion. I spent about fifteen minutes talking to him at the FIA race in Sebring when he drove one of the FIA Mercedes cars. It was like I was talking to someone I had known my entire life. So engaging. I miss him so.
Gary
Nice understatement. How about, "Does going to the factory to exhibit an interest in the process and the individual team members--developing relationships--does THAT give a driver an extra three-tenths?"Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Why yes, it most certainly could.
Very well put, which is what should've been said in the first place instead of constantly referring to 'visiting the factory' which was far too ambiguous and was asking for a sarcastic comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
So, now it's confirmed - Kimi moves to Citroen. What a sad day for formula 1.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80431
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julle69
Kimi drinks down those Red Bulls like water.
Once he does WRC I'm sure he'll be spright and motivated to drive alongside Vettel at Red Bull Racing.
Well, a sad day for us Finnish F1 enthusiasts, for the first time since 1993 we don't have a top driver in a top team. :mad: Then again, maybe its nicer to watch the races now, for pure fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julle69
There are two people whose work I don't envy at all, the person who in in charge of MTV3 Max channel package sales and the one who is in charge of Santanders Finnish operations. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter