Well, you know what, at almost every opportunity there is one poster who continually makes lurid accusations about a certain Ferrari rival team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
DIfference is, we can deal with it without hiding in our own thread.
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Well, you know what, at almost every opportunity there is one poster who continually makes lurid accusations about a certain Ferrari rival team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
DIfference is, we can deal with it without hiding in our own thread.
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
Perhaps you might like to start a new thread about just that .
I sat here wondering for a while if any response would be of use , Wilko .
This post of yours is exactly the kind of post that would incite a similar vitriolic response from our friend , Tam .
Why is it in a thread entitled "Ferrari fans thread" ?
I'd like also to ask if you realize that , in your last line , you call all Tifosi cowards ? It is easily interpretted that way .
We all have to realize that communication is the hardest task that we humans face .
I tend to delete about half of what I write , when I take a second look , because it's too aggressive to get a civil and reasoned response .
And , after all , isn't that the point of debate ?
I hope Ferrari get it together , and move forward in the field .
I want to see some fine racing between more than just the Macs and Bulls at the sharp end .
I don't feel the need to, and I thought that was clear in the previous point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
If posters such as Tamb are unable to control their rage, they really have no place on a public forum - I suggest.
You can see I did not rise to Tamb's labelling me as sc*m, bigoted, racist, troll etc.
Maybe that's the difference.
I guess not .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
As a fan , how do you think Ferrari will do for the rest of the season ?
Myself , I think the problem lies with Luca M .
I don't like him because he spat on a friend of mine .
Wow , that sounds like an interesting story . Tell me more .
He arrived in Toronto , and my buddy was selling red cars .
Gee , that doesn't sound like any good reason to spit .
Well , being a recession , he and the team weren't selling enough red cars .
Gee , that doesn't sound like any way to motivate the team .
Yeah , I'm not sure he realizes it , though .
Thanks for the story .
I am only warning everyone once : If I catch anyone posting in here insults, or provoking Ferrari fans...the punishment will be a month ban, followed by a permanent ban !
Ferrari are toasted. They need Kimi back or MS. And Ross to.
I am very much a fan of Stefano. Level headed, not panicking, quietly getting on with the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Luca - Not sure really, he currently seems pre-occupied with bad mouthing the new teams. However, he hired Todt in the 90's and turned the team's fortunes around.
It takes time to build a winning team, and the Brawn, Byrne, Todt, Shoe was always going to be hard to beat.
Kimi went off the boil, Massa was on the up, but his accident and the arrival of Alonso, not known as a team player and a disruptive influence, has taken the wind out of his sails.
Alonso has got off to a bad start - maybe he is trying too hard, but he's not going to be tolerated much longer by Luca if he continually criticises the team and makes mistakes as he has been.
Overall however, Ferrari continues to hold that special something for me, but they do make rods for their own backs at times.
Ferrari is falling back, soon at Williams level.
Many is now laughing at Alonso, the leader and "top driver".
Maranello :eek: :eek: :dozey: :s mokin: :vader:
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Originally Posted by Mia 01
we got it. move on.
Mia
Go debone your Lutefisk and stand by for the resurgence
Forget about Kimi and Ferrari, he'll never drive for Ferrari again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
And unless Brawn buys ferrari, I dont think Ross will be back eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
And how does this affect the design office, R&D which I find more worrying ATM in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Same as the rest of the team, none of them has the needed inspiration, they just copy what they see that works for the faster teams. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
It's still quite interesting that in 07-09 Ferrari's aero was usually better than McLaren's, but Ferrari's politics needed a scapegoat and they found Iley for that. McLaren was happy to take him and now McLaren's aero efficiency gradually seems to be rising above Ferrari's.
Iley's only fault is that he is not an Italian otherwise he would have kept his place and Ferrari would have been doing fine. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jens
True, I actually commented on that at the time and wondered about the wisdom of sacking the guy but was immediately put down by a certain corner at Imola. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Wasnt it a bigger mistake to force out Rory Brown?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
All this talk of 'fault' for getting 'rid' of people, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
People move on - that's life. You have to plan waaay in advance for the eventuality that a key member of your team will one day leave.
Once Iley's replacements find their feet, as with Stefano and the like, the team will gel and the results will follow as a result.
Time, it al takes time.
Remember, patience is not only something doctors look after, but it is also a virtue....... ;)
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
I totally agree and also I would like to ask to those who criticizes Luca for his choices : What's wrong in being italian, being in charge of Italy's most famous make, and trying to win somenthing with italian staff only ? Do you guys have any idea how proud all italians would be to see Ferrari winning without any help from outside Italy ? That's what Luca's trying to do at the moment, all italian tifosi supports him 100%. and they really don't care about what other "tifosi" thinks.
Ferrari's 2000-2004 success would never have happened with Di Montezemolo's current approach. But hey, if he would rather lose with Italians at the helm rather than win without them, he's going to be throwing a lot more TV sets out the window. And I will laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
I'm sure all the fans will be really proud when Luca takes them back to the pre-Todt glory days of 1992.
Nothing is wrong if Luca honestly thinks he is hiring the best available people in the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
However, if he is knowingly not hiring the best available people because of their nationality, then that is discrimination.
But that's ok, because other teams will happily snap up the talent that Ferrari is rejecting.
Rome wasn't build in one day, give them time ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Luca is trying to hire the best italians available in the business, time will tell whether he's right or wrong... We italians are proud to have italians in charge at Ferrari again :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
"Venimus, Vidimus, Vicimus” :uhoh: :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Exactly :up: :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Or in Ferrari's case: I came, I saw, I conked out.
I like spaghetti, I love meatballs Viva la compagnie
This is a global world now, not regional, and F1 is a global sport. Hire the best people for the job, even if they come from Zimbabwe. If the best staff happen to be Italian, bonus. If not, who cares as long as they get the job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
It's a global market, not world cup soccer.
And hoping it's not another 800 years until the Renaissance :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
About as proud as Italians would be if they didn't have the 2nd biggest public debt in the EU, with an all Italian government.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
The conclusion being that it won't happen. :D
They are almost there and it only took them 2 years since Todt left.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Exactly, we live in a world where knowledge does not have nationality, sex or color.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Ferrari got to the top because of Todt being a very open minded person who didn't hire only French people for the team's top positions if any.
yes the toad hopped right to the front. Rory, Ross and TAD
Mansell isnīt holding Ferrari high at the moment, but was those he know.
Harsh to blame on Luca.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I put my finger on Alonso. Someone needs to tell him not to try too hard. Not since he returned to Renault have I seen Alonso drive like a hot-shot/hot headed rookie.
I just read this and suddenly I thought:"what about Chinese tech guys?" Has anyone thought about hiring these guys. For those who might not have realised it, the Chinese have the most sophisticated hacking/tracking/eavesdropping, bugging technocrats in the whole WORLD. They are constantly hacking into other governments secret systems. And who the hell could possibly figure out they were copying anyone if the plans are in Chinese?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Not a chance Valve :bounce: The Indians are far sharper than the Chinese with IT technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/f1/story...207027,00.htmlQuote:
Ferrari's turnaround in fortunes look set to continue at the European Grand Prix as the team are due to unveil their own version of the 'Red Bull-like exhaust-blown rear end'.
Rumours are that it is worth as much as 0.7secs per lap
'Ferrari are said to have been staggered when they saw in the tunnel just how much this feature improved things.'
LET THE BASHING BEGIN :D
I have doubts about this assertion myself.
And who started the rumors?
My guess is the tabloid press! :dozey:
Well Taz, if the low slung exhausts are that much of a benefit, when the Mercs and McLarens get them sorted, where will that leave Red Bull?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio