Is global warming/climate change a crock?

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Since most of us agree that the climate is changing, the main argument is about whether man is speeding it up, causing it, or innocent. Since we all accept that the climate has changed before man's influence I would suggest the majority of any funding and technology in the short term be directed at identifing exactly who and what will be affected and preparing for them to move from or adapt to the changes. I doubt whats happening now can be stopped but if we can ease the transition over this bump, then we can focus on the future.

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But it can be stopped. Realistically it must be stopped. To let it go as is poses too many risks.

I believe the latest IPCC AR4 report has some regional predictions if you are after it.

Scientists in the salary of tax hungry goverments and/or environmental groups are just as biased as those paid by exxon mobil etc :mad:

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Originally Posted by Captain VXR

Scientists in the salary of tax hungry goverments and/or environmental groups are just as biased as those paid by exxon mobil etc :mad:

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State funding for scientific research is nothing compared to industrial funding for research in just about every field. The difference is so great there isn't much point comparing the two.

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Originally Posted by Captain VXR

Scientists in the salary of tax hungry goverments and/or environmental groups are just as biased as those paid by exxon mobil etc :mad:

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So, what is your view as to whether global warming exists based on? This alone?

I dont really know what it is but the suns radiation levels affecting climate seems more convincing. Im not anti-green just reckon the co2 stuff is overhyped. Recycling in Bath is crap they take cardboard and garden waste on different days to paper, metal and plastic and have no incentives and few facilities to recycle

Maybe the GW isn't so bad after all? :) My proposal is to pump out that oil and dig out all the resources and then freeze that cap again. You heard it here first. :p

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...av_OYpstqCHZgA

http://environment.independent.co.uk...cle2990161.ece

actually Erki, maybe he isn't? check out this little spot of news, even if it is a crock, the worlds leaders are at least finally agreeing to make an effort to do their bit, few other interesting stories on here

http://environment.independent.co.uk/

i have no doubt that it won't do anything to convert the sceptics, but a decent source of info at least, and for me i find the independent to be some of the best journalism around

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Originally Posted by Erki

Maybe the GW isn't so bad after all? :) My proposal is to pump out that oil and dig out all the resources and then freeze that cap again. You heard it here first. :p

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...av_OYpstqCHZgA

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Terrible news that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7010522.stm

very interesting

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Originally Posted by rah

But it can be stopped. Realistically it must be stopped. To let it go as is poses too many risks.

I believe the latest IPCC AR4 report has some regional predictions if you are after it.

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You my friend have to not believe everything you saw in the Movie "Inconvenitent Truth".

IT CANNOT BE STOPPED. Mother Nature will do what she does. The fact the earth was warm in the past without our help says to me that the climatic cycle is still part of the Earth's future, and I suspect we like to think we can do something, but as the dinosaurs found out, we cannot.


It is human conceit in our abilities (and maybe a lack of faith in something larger than ourselves) that leads us to believe that we are the source of this global warming and that we can stop it. A realist would look at the effects, and try to change human behaviour and where we live to take either advantage of it ( farming farther north ) or to mitigate its effects. There is so much propaganda about how this is all caused by CO2 but when no one is paying attention, the sun is the source of all heat and energy on this planet, and if its effects are up by 1 %, it has HUGE ramifications to our climate. Maybe someone should take note that Mars is reportedly warmer now too....and there are no SUV's there.