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How are they be to blame? That is a silly argument to make a point out of nothing to attempt to justify a viewpoint.
Children don't have the understanding of adults. They just see differences, and you will always see bullying when someone is different. Be that their hand-me-down attire, their physical size, their parents (old etc).
You paint your own picture with comments like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Objectivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Guys, can we please discuss the thread's subject instead of the posters?
You basically said that if a child with two fathers gets bullied about this, it's only to be expected. Do you believe that bullying on grounds of difference is OK — that it should just be accepted as a fact of life? If so, you're not a very humane person. Such an attitude, in my view, also casts further doubt on your parenting skills. Do you want your kids to grow up merely as what you consider to be 'normal', so that they blend into the background and don't attract the bullies, or would you wish them to be different and individual?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The two are inextricably intertwined, given the extent to which this subject is a matter of personal opinion and, to some extent, personal experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Funnily enough I don't think any form of bullying is OK. I am however realistic enough to know it will not stop because you cannot change the cruel aspect of human nature. Wrap it up or word it however you wish, it will go on sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
My kids will be parented by us as we were parented ourselves. We wont fill our kids with sweets or use sweets to pacify them. This will lead to obesity, which, aside from being unhealthy will lead to teasing in school etc.
They will be taught right from wrong - to be courteous, not be greedy etc.
The blending into the background bit intrigues me Ben. If I'd prefer my children to be well behaved in public rather than loud, obnoxious, unruly and rude, then yes - give me blending in any day.
I quite like the fact that often, we are commented on our childrens behaviour when we are out. It is also quite amusing that it is the older generation that often make these comments - the ones that have the most life experience.
Please tell me, because I worry myself about this;
When my daughter gets to the age where her body changes, and she will not want her father to see her naked etc, she will turn to, among others such as friends etc, her mother for advice or just to talk about these changes.
How would that work in a same sex parent situation, where both the parents are male. Or what when the child asks about its mother?
I struggle with that, because I genuinely see that as a hurdle that the child will struggle with.
Finally, however my children turn out, they will be individual.
The same as it works when the mother is -for whatever other reason- missing?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
OK, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
I kinda should have suggested in a surrogate mother situation.....
It is to be expected, as kids will pick on children they see as vulnerable. Now you would say thats the parents fault. But 30 children in a class, and 1 has two fathers - once the kids get to the age where they "sort of" understand this, then they will have a field day. And no amount of parental guidance will stop this. Kids pick on kids already, why would this be any different? However, by allowing same-sex adoption - you are creating another option for bullying, so for the good of the child same-sex adoption cases should be looked at carefully. Men/women couples should be given preference (quality pertaining of course, but this veto process is done anyway) - as this will give the child the BEST chance of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I hate to use the term "survival of the fittest" but school really is like that, I've been through it!
How does it cast doubt on his parenting skills? What ARE you on about?! Are you suggesting that he should want his children to be homosexual so that they can be be "different" and "individual"? I really don't understand the point you are trying to make here.Quote:
Such an attitude, in my view, also casts further doubt on your parenting skills. Do you want your kids to grow up merely as what you consider to be 'normal', so that they blend into the background and don't attract the bullies, or would you wish them to be different and individual?
Sounds like SGWilko is doing a good job of being a father. If many same-sex couples have the attitude of you, BDunnell, I doubt they would be brought up correctly - as you are too bitter towards people of differing opinions, and that would impact upon the children.