2012 Presidential Race

The way that he's performing this act, I really don't think Mitt Romney wants to be President.

You give some people a shovel and they'll try to dig a foundation. You give others a shovel (Romney) and they'll try to dig a grave... their own. It's not often that a candidate melts down the way this character has. First the Libya thing and now this thing, where Romney tries to swallow his foot, talking about the 47% of the electorate that he doesn't care about.

Unless Romney can hit a homerun or three during the debate, he might as well cancel that U-haul moving van scheduled for January 2013.

"How are the mighty fallen" 2 Samuel 1:19 :s tareup:

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I'm sorry but the GOP is hardly a representation of Christianity and certainly not a representation of Christ. The bible speaks far more about helping those in need and king's duties to be generous to their people than the GOP are prepared to admit.

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The GOP is a representation of the Christian right-wing, and it is their accurate representation of Christ. The Bible does speak of many positive aspects of human life, but the GOP only cherry-picks verses from the Old Testament (e.g. Leviticus) and completely ignores the New Testament.

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As a Christian I would be deeply offendend to be represented by either the GOP or the Democrats and the fact that the Christian right is so easily manipulated suggests to me that there is a distinct lack of any critical thinking whatsoever.

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As a non-believer of Christ and an atheist I thank you. I can respect your beliefs and values, but not if you try and stuff them down my throat.

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I wonder what the Christian right would have to say about something like this with regards their support of the two major parties in US politics?
Proverbs 14:31 Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

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Preach it!

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I completely understand your suspicions of Christianity and so-called "Christian politics"; especially given that it appears that so many people sing songs and leave their conscience at the door of a church on Sunday and merrily go about their own horrid business the rest of the week.

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I abhor this, terribly. Many Christians decide that once they exit their Church that they can act like assholes and be absolved from all when they return to church the following Sunday. Keep your religion at your place of worship and don't intertwine them with politics.

Ezekiel 23:19-20

All in all I think there isn't much much difference between the two. I really don't get this attitude of some who believe winning one over the other is the end of the world somehow.. they're both average

Jimmy Carter once told me a story .
Well , it wasn't Jimmy , but rather , Abby Hoffman , relating Jimmy's words .

Long story short , from behind , out of Jimmy's sight , John Tower was sent to talk to the Ayatollah to ask if the hostages could be kept long enough to make Jimmy look bad , and make Ray-gun an instant hero .
When things went sideways , Ollie and the Contras were added to confuse , and John was sent in again to cover the tracks in the Tower commission .

Somewhere about eight months after I heard Abby tell us this story , he was dead , having allegedly commintted suicide .

Given the treasonous tale he told , I don't believe it was suicide .




The reason I told you all this tale , is to illustrate that it matters not who the puppet in power happens to be .

Ok so here's a thought that is likely to be the burr under the saddle pad of the liberals among us. In regard to Romney's comments stating that 47% of the vote will go to Obama because that percentage of the population is on government assistance and if the vote Nobama, that is essentially biting the hand that feeds them. Why is this remark inflammatory?
To me it is a perfectly logical conclusion. If a person is being supported by a government, then why would that person want to change that government? I think the bigger question we should ask ourselves is why under the current administration is 47% of the population dependent on the government, and why is this considered acceptable? Having such a sizable portion of the population on the public dole is disgraceful. Obama vowed to fix the economy in 3 years and if he couldnt then he'd be a one term president. I suggest he at least keep that one promise. That way he can at least claim everything he has said isn't a complete and utter lie. Wake up people. See the facts and recognize that this nightmare of a president is playing fast and loose with this country on all fronts...economically, morally, militarily/foreign policy...and he doesn't give the first damn about you or your family or your community. Caring about that would interfere with his vacations, his golf, and his letterman appearances, and hobnobbing events with Beyonce and Jay Z.

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Danicafan did you not read my post? 47% is not on the public dole, unless you count the 10.3 % retirees drawing social security to which they have already paid in for 40 years. Nor should you count the 28.3% of working households that get all of their withholding refunded either because of standard deductions and personal exemptions, not to mention child tax credits of $1000 per child, or because they itemize their retirement savings, their health insurance and health and flex-spending accounts, not to mention give money to charity and take the mortgage interest deduction.

These are programs that the conservatives fought for and won to reduce the tax burden on the middle class, so why are they now complaining that people take advantage of these laws conservatives passed for us?

It is insulting to a large chunk of the population that supports conservative politicians. How can they not see it and let it go? The public dole is only the 6.9% that are poor, if that, because if you dug into it, you'd probably find out a lot of those 6.9% are students.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

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I don't believe it about conservatives, but for sure bald eagles couldn't exist or live very well without the Endangered Species Act, which I don't think you'll find many conservatives claiming to support.

It's not even worth arguing with stuff like this. Just point and laugh.

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Originally Posted by Alexamateo

Danicafan did you not read my post?

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I think it's in posts like the two above to which you refer that the deficiencies in education mentioned earlier are demonstrated most clearly. I say this entirely seriously. They are typical of a person who simply does not want to learn, to be informed — the mark of an individual happy to wallow in their own ignorance, and entirely comfortable with others considering them ignorant.