Is There a God?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

This statement: 'The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.'

None of this is exclusive to believers. It suggests to me a superiority inherent in belief.

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This whole thread is about hearing a plausible explanation from you. So far there hasn't been one. That's it and it doesn't mean anything else. The difference of opinions doesn't inherently lead to anybody's superiority or inferiority. It's like racing. If you lost your last race, that doesn't yet mean you're inferior to anybody else. It means you just haven't been good enough on this occasion. If if keep losing time and again, then it might be a different story. And even then, who would call Chris Amon or Stirling Moss inferior in any sense?

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

This whole thread is about hearing a plausible explanation from you.

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Really? I thought it went a bit further than that.

To me, Rudy, you were condescending towards those of us who are non-believers. End of story.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And you question nothing written down in the Bible?

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Nothing. I just try to make sense of it.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Really? I thought it went a bit further than that.

To me, Rudy, you were condescending towards those of us who are non-believers.

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The point of discussion is exchanging points of view and explaining those. I just wasn't convinced by your reasoning and you most likely weren't convinced by mine. This still doesn't defer me from thinking I was right. I am sorry if I made a wrong impression on you, but I am still unapologetic about my views.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

End of story.

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I agree. It's getting tiresome, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

On the opposite, the creed of the Christian Church remained unchanged for many centuries.

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Yup, no improvement whatsoever. ;) Or at least, very little improvement.

The thing is Rudy -- do you really believe that we have learned nothing important about the Universe since the Bible was written? Did the people who wrote it have better information than we do, in your opinion? If so, how did they get it?

Science is all about testing observable phenomena, to understand them, to recreate them, to prove them, science more often than not tests its own hypotheses and proves them wrong, whilst narrowing the parameters of what it is searching for. No-one is disputing that scientific thinking has been incorrect i the past, based on the observable theories were put forward which were generally accepted until the ability to test and observe things changes, as a result of scientific progress. This evolution of science is part of what I think defines us as humans, as does the evolution of society, morals etc.

Religon observes something that was unexplainable and seeks to leave it out of the reach of the comprehension of man but explaining it as the result of a supernatural deity that is responsible for all things and is unquestionable. Also invisible, but all seeing and all powerful. Scary stuff. Add to that the whole afterlife, judgement day, heaven and hell and you have a whole lot of unobservable and untestable things to retain power over people. Teach thme these things from birth and promise great hardship, pain etc for eternity and you wind up with believers.

I think we live in a time where more and more of an educated and free thinking population is rejecting the notion of a god and unsustainable when weighed against the acquired knowledge of the populous, as "god" is not needed to explain natural phenomena and the church is wrestling to retain control over "man". In large parts of Europe it is possibly losing, the church being nothing more than a social cause, however still very powerful. In the USA and most Islamic counties the balance is far more in favour of the religous teachings, but the inability of religon to evolve and develop new ideas, due to its inflexible basis will ultimately IMO be its downfall. I cannot see how more people will be converted to believe than do reject the theory of a god, despite how strongly the religons continue to try to influence everything its followers do.

Humans have been on this planet for about 200,000 years. Yet god has supposedly only shown his hand once, around 2000 years ago in some very dubiously recorded events only in the middle east.

I don't see how anyone can possibly believe that this is true.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Humans have been on this planet for about 200,000 years. Yet god has supposedly only shown his hand once, around 2000 years ago in some very dubiously recorded events only in the middle east.

I don't see how anyone can possibly believe that this is true.

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It's posible to don't be true but on the other hand why should he show his "face" to us?
And what if man hasn't the "means" to "see" him?

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

It's posible to don't be true but on the other hand why should he show his "face" to us?
And what if man hasn't the "means" to "see" him?

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You mean in the same way we don't have the 'means' to see the fairies at the bottom of the garden?

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Originally Posted by henners88

If he doesn't need to show his face to us and 'man' may not be able to see him anyway, then I don't see any reason to believe in any of it. I can't fault peoples passion, but without any form of convincing argument or proof, I am always going to be sceptical.

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Why should be a reason for everything?

(I guess you never fell in love with the wrong person.:laugh :)