Do You Know the Real Islam?

Until (some) Christians stop doing things like torturing and killing children because they are 'witches' they can stop attacking Islam

Yeah and there are too many sore ass Alter Boys !!

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I do know what Im talking about. I am an American and a Christian and proud to be both. I have studied Islam, taken classes, went to lectures, talked with local pastors about it. Trust me, its not peaceful. If you think it is, then you dont believe what the Koran says. It clearly states to kill and death to all non-believers. Is that peaceful ?

I dont have time rite now but I can get in depth to what I am saying and back it up with verses, studies, etc. I think you fall in the #2 category my friend.

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Interesting, I've also talked to a pastor about the Muslim faith, but at the time was in a Muslim majority country. He explained that the local population was very open minded and they had no issues being Christian openly. He also said that over time he often spoke with Muslims about their religious views and saw it at a very tolerant religion.

Taken out of context, the Qu'ran could be said that death should come to all non belivers. Taken in context you as a "christian" openly state that anyone that does not accept Jesus will go to hell. I can easily determine that no Muslim has killed you, how do you easily determine that it is your place to pass judgement on others?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

So are you suggesting that instead, we ignore all the horrible parts of religion and cherry-pick the good bits and get excited, shouting 'Look! That's religion!'?

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Quite the opposite. The bad , lurid, aspects of religion are self evident. Stop calling the issues of NI a religious war which it is not. It was and may still be a socio/economic/political war started by the Brits with the Plantation of Scottish Presbyterians on Catholic land in Northern Ireland. Then setting about the to curb the ability of the Catholic Irish from voting unless they owned a home. An almost impossible task. Religion was used as the catalyst to start the troubles as it was the most obvious starting point.

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

Quite the opposite. The bad , lurid, aspects of religion are self evident. Stop calling the issues of NI a religious war which it is not. It was and may still be a socio/economic/political war started by the Brits with the Plantation of Scottish Presbyterians on Catholic land in Northern Ireland. Then setting about the to curb the ability of the Catholic Irish from voting unless they owned a home. An almost impossible task. Religion was used as the catalyst to start the troubles as it was the most obvious starting point.

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The issues in NI would be much simpler to solve if there wasn't a religious divide. The same could be said about Israel/Palestine.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Before I get into Islam, the thing with Christianity that seperates it from all other religions is that it is the only religion that has a true, living Savior, and that is Jesus Christ. Also its where God wants to have a personal relationship with his people.

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It is quite self-centered to think that 'God' wants to have a personal relationship with us insignificant humans.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

He doesnt want you to be a slave to him.

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So why do Christians kneel down when they pray?

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

With Christianity, salvation is a free gift given to all of us by God through Jesus Christ. Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation. Truth is, we could never earn our way to Heaven, we dont deserve it but God's Grace gives us a chance. We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

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So why would 'God' make Earth as good as he could, but not quite as good as he made heaven?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Interesting, I've also talked to a pastor about the Muslim faith, but at the time was in a Muslim majority country. He explained that the local population was very open minded and they had no issues being Christian openly. He also said that over time he often spoke with Muslims about their religious views and saw it at a very tolerant religion.

Taken out of context, the Qu'ran could be said that death should come to all non belivers. Taken in context you as a "christian" openly state that anyone that does not accept Jesus will go to hell. I can easily determine that no Muslim has killed you, how do you easily determine that it is your place to pass judgement on others?

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"Judge not lest ye be judged in heaven"
How many fundies actually spout the above quote?
Can a religious person please explain to me how their religion is true and all of the others false using arguments other than 'its a matter of faith' or 'I was raised in it and never doubted it' or 'I know it is the correct path'

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

It is quite self-centered to think that 'God' wants to have a personal relationship with us insignificant humans.



So why do Christians kneel down when they pray?



So why would 'God' make Earth as good as he could, but not quite as good as he made heaven?

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"The lord is my shepherd" - Christians are sheep.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Taken out of context, the Qu'ran could be said that death should come to all non belivers. Taken in context you as a "christian" openly state that anyone that does not accept Jesus will go to hell. I can easily determine that no Muslim has killed you, how do you easily determine that it is your place to pass judgement on others?

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I liked this saying. I came across aboutjihad site it's pretty good in explaining this misquoted ayahs to non muslims who may be deceived by anti-islamists claims.

N.B The christian-current def.- is who believes in God father, mother, trinity NOT Christ follower.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

First off, I am a Christian, a born again believer in Jesus Christ whom is the only way to Heaven. I am a baptist if anyone was curious. What I will discuss will be in love and that my desire and as with most Christians is that the truth comes out about false religions and beliefs. Also what I will say will not be politically correct, at times sound insensitive, and not what you typically hear but should. But again, my point is Im not here to hate or offend anyone, I just want to give you the truth.

Before I get into Islam, the thing with Christianity that seperates it from all other religions is that it is the only religion that has a true, living Savior, and that is Jesus Christ. Also its where God wants to have a personal relationship with his people. He doesnt want you to be a slave to him. With Christianity, salvation is a free gift given to all of us by God through Jesus Christ. Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation. Truth is, we could never earn our way to Heaven, we dont deserve it but God's Grace gives us a chance. We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

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I have been reading about a group of "born agains" that go by the name of Westboro (sic) church. They go to the funerals of returning American service men from Afghanistan and Iraq when it was in full force protesting not the war but sexuality. Why Danica fan? They also go to the funerals of known gays with signs saying "God hates fags". Why would God hate something he created?
This born again that is not just an anomaly of the US is an excuse to hide behind religion like an alcoholic does with life through a bottle.
DanicaFan, do you believe in evolution? Was T-Rex walking the earth 4,000 years ago. Did Noah put all living creatures in his over-sized boat?
Why did my lovely brother who harmed not a soul in his life have to die prematurely from a hideous disease leaving behind a family? What was the plan that God had in taking him away and have him suffer so greatly and his children and siblings to this day still in pain?
Do you actually believe water was turned into wine or that five loaves and fish fed a mass( no pun intended) of people? Is the word :faith" and the use of "free will" a cop out so you can excuse all the unanswered and in my humble opinion idiotic fables you "born agains" seem to gravitate to.